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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the "defund the police" bullshit from a while ago.

by keyme 4y ago

TheSecondMouse 4y ago
Why would it?
- h2odragon 4y ago
  Many people suspected "defund the police" would lead to an increase in crime, and said so. Often risking their reputation to do so, and being accused of racism, heresy, deviation-ism, and so on. Now that crime has risen in the past couple years, it's amazing how many people never said "defund the police" and when confronted with the evidence that they did say that "din't mean it that way."
  - quags 4y ago
    I remember defund the police narratives. However despite these defund the police talks the majority of police budgets in the US continue to rise the last few years.
    - bitcurious 4y ago
      The performance of police, like of most professions, is highly impacted by morale. The defund narrative painted police work as inherently racist and oppressive, which obviously effected morale. I don’t have any specific data, but it seems intuitive and cops themselves are talking about it. https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009578809/cops-say-low-morale-and-department-scrutiny-are-driving-them-away-from-the-job https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009578809/cops-say-low-moral... and a bit here https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-depolicing-alternatives https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-depolicing-al...
      - quags 4y ago
        Defund the police came out of specific incidents, normally resulting in deaths, which are now being covered by police body cams and filming. From my own perspective the morale being affected is tied to the usually narratives of what happened in the incidents no longer being backed up by what the camera shows. Defund is the wrong word in my opinion though - if this was another professional job it would be more police training. We shouldn’t see indigents of a traffic stop resulting in the death of a driver with multiple police involved. Or why can I ask someone who lives in the woods come up with multiple names of people killed by the police that were unarmed - I’m sorry the morale is down and that it affects job performance but it can’t be that we expect to have multiple unarmed people killed a year as a normal part of the job.
      - Jochim 4y ago
        They should consider not brutalising random people if they'd like people to be nicer to them.
      - sneak 4y ago
        That's moving the goalposts. People wanted to defund police. Police budgets stayed flat or went up. Crime increased. Maybe we should try defunding police.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    How do you know it was "defund the police" and not COVID upending our world?
  - antifa 4y ago
    > "defund the police" [...] "din't mean it that way." That was definitely a confusing time when multiple people meaning different things were using this slogan. > Many people suspected "defund the police" would lead to an increase in crime, and said so. [...] Now that crime has risen in the past couple years This probably looks like a "gotcha" to the average person not paying attention, but AFAIK not a single police department was defunded. In fact many had budget increases, including political support from President Biden himself. The implication that somebody is backtracking on the slogan because defunding (which never happened) caused a crime surplus is rather hilarious misinformation. Now deal with the fact that crime and police budgets both went up.
nkrisc 4y ago
How many police departments were actually “defunded” and how does that correlate with the topic of this article?
- bluescrn 4y ago
  Even if they weren’t directly defunded, they were probably demoralized, and likely lost good staff during the ‘ACAB’ period. Would you really want to remain a cop when ‘all cops’ are suddenly so viciously hated by so many in the media, politics, and activism?
  - Kye 4y ago
    It's one of the safest, best paid jobs you can get with few skills and minimal training. If they're so fragile they can't take the paycheck and deal with a little criticism, they have no business walking around with a gun and the force of law behind them.
    - incone123 4y ago
      In 2018, 106 police officers died on duty (roughly even split of feloniously killed vs accidental). There are other more dangerous jobs, but to describe policing as one of the safest _on a forum full of office workers_ is disingenuous.
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  - pjc50 4y ago
    The police had to choose between "being liked by the public" and "being able to murder members of the public without consequence" and chose option B in almost every single case.
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the "defund the police" bullshit from a while ago.

by keyme 4y ago

I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the "defund the police" bullshit from a while ago.

TheSecondMouse 4y ago

Why would it?

h2odragon 4y ago
Many people suspected "defund the police" would lead to an increase in crime, and said so. Often risking their reputation to do so, and being accused of racism, heresy, deviation-ism, and so on. Now that crime has risen in the past couple years, it's amazing how many people never said "defund the police" and when confronted with the evidence that they did say that "din't mean it that way."
- quags 4y ago
  I remember defund the police narratives. However despite these defund the police talks the majority of police budgets in the US continue to rise the last few years.
  - bitcurious 4y ago
    The performance of police, like of most professions, is highly impacted by morale. The defund narrative painted police work as inherently racist and oppressive, which obviously effected morale. I don’t have any specific data, but it seems intuitive and cops themselves are talking about it. https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009578809/cops-say-low-morale-and-department-scrutiny-are-driving-them-away-from-the-job https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009578809/cops-say-low-moral... and a bit here https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-depolicing-alternatives https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-depolicing-al...
    - quags 4y ago
      Defund the police came out of specific incidents, normally resulting in deaths, which are now being covered by police body cams and filming. From my own perspective the morale being affected is tied to the usually narratives of what happened in the incidents no longer being backed up by what the camera shows. Defund is the wrong word in my opinion though - if this was another professional job it would be more police training. We shouldn’t see indigents of a traffic stop resulting in the death of a driver with multiple police involved. Or why can I ask someone who lives in the woods come up with multiple names of people killed by the police that were unarmed - I’m sorry the morale is down and that it affects job performance but it can’t be that we expect to have multiple unarmed people killed a year as a normal part of the job.
    - Jochim 4y ago
      They should consider not brutalising random people if they'd like people to be nicer to them.
    - sneak 4y ago
      That's moving the goalposts. People wanted to defund police. Police budgets stayed flat or went up. Crime increased. Maybe we should try defunding police.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  How do you know it was "defund the police" and not COVID upending our world?
- antifa 4y ago
  > "defund the police" [...] "din't mean it that way." That was definitely a confusing time when multiple people meaning different things were using this slogan. > Many people suspected "defund the police" would lead to an increase in crime, and said so. [...] Now that crime has risen in the past couple years This probably looks like a "gotcha" to the average person not paying attention, but AFAIK not a single police department was defunded. In fact many had budget increases, including political support from President Biden himself. The implication that somebody is backtracking on the slogan because defunding (which never happened) caused a crime surplus is rather hilarious misinformation. Now deal with the fact that crime and police budgets both went up.

nkrisc 4y ago

How many police departments were actually “defunded” and how does that correlate with the topic of this article?

bluescrn 4y ago
Even if they weren’t directly defunded, they were probably demoralized, and likely lost good staff during the ‘ACAB’ period. Would you really want to remain a cop when ‘all cops’ are suddenly so viciously hated by so many in the media, politics, and activism?
- Kye 4y ago
  It's one of the safest, best paid jobs you can get with few skills and minimal training. If they're so fragile they can't take the paycheck and deal with a little criticism, they have no business walking around with a gun and the force of law behind them.
  - incone123 4y ago
    In 2018, 106 police officers died on duty (roughly even split of feloniously killed vs accidental). There are other more dangerous jobs, but to describe policing as one of the safest _on a forum full of office workers_ is disingenuous.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- pjc50 4y ago
  The police had to choose between "being liked by the public" and "being able to murder members of the public without consequence" and chose option B in almost every single case.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]