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How many streets are in here? It seems that the street view is limited to a few blocks in each case. When were the photos added? How can people add stuff from

by EGreg 4y ago

How many streets are in here? It seems that the street view is limited to a few blocks in each case. When were the photos added? How can people add stuff from Mariupol, for instance? This kind of stuff is absolutely needed, but regularly uploaded by people on the ground, and showing the up-to-date situation. One should be able to see any conflict zone, including Sanaa Yemen this way. Because otherwise we just get videos like this, rather than visualizations of the actual damage and the more recent updates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZsjagnKPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZsjagnKPs

paganel 4y ago
> from Mariupol, for instance? After they finish building all the new apartment blocks [1]. And Bakhmut currently looks way worse than Mariupol ever did, but I guess the West's attention has mostly shifted elsewhere. [1] https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1635543087509323777 https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1635543087509323777
- AcornGrower 4y ago
  The Twitter account you used as source is a far-right, pro-Russian troll. Not very trustworthy.
  - EGreg 4y ago
    Where can we get Mariupol footage of whats happening now?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - paganel 4y ago
    Don’t think the Kiev Independent guys have access to Mariupol right now, I just copy-pasted from Twitter one of the first results of “Mariupol new apartments” search. You’re right, most probably those reporting from inside Russian-controlled Mariupol are pro-Russian.
    - MayeulC 4y ago
      Russia's goal with Mariupol seems to be razing the damaged parts of the city to cover up the destruction and their war crimes (see the mariupol theater), and rebuild new buildings on top, to proclaim that it's now a much better city under russian leadership. Of course, ukraine would probably have razed or reconstructed these buildings, but the russian way seems to be explicitly done as a cover-up and propaganda operation. I really doubt they can afford that level of public spending in other cities, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that these construction projects only cover a small portion of the destroyed buildings. To say nothing about the quality of the hastily constructed flats.
- _nalply 4y ago
  I wonder if Russia is letting Russians taking up residence in the new houses and what the consequences would be later.
  - ImHereToVote 4y ago
    Depends what you mean by Russian? If you mean someone who's first language is Russian, then not much will change.
- K5EiS 4y ago
  Finished but with a lot of problems https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615462194023473152 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615462194023473152
jgilias 4y ago
What do you think would happen to people going around and taking pictures of the damage in Mariupol while it’s under occupation?
- EGreg 4y ago
  Nothing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k Life is returning back to normal after a horrific battle that did not need to happen. Most civilians don’t care so much under which government they live, they just want health and safety first and foremost. Governments and states create the problems, in my opinion. Politicians should serve the people, not create war. In an ideal world, the states would be replaced with agencies that compete for yearly contracts from neighborhoods. Instead of killing civilians for a flag, the civilians would renew contracts for roads, police etc. from competing agencies and none of it would be bundled together in “a state”.
  - jgilias 4y ago
    I didn’t want to spell it out, but apparently I must. They’d end up in torture chambers like in Kherson: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukraines-kherson-financed-by-russian-state-investigators-2023-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukrain...
    - 93po 4y ago
      I'm glad corporate news is now properly classifying waterboarding as torture.
    - throwaway742 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE
      - relaxmusic 4y ago
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by EGreg 4y ago

paganel 4y ago

> from Mariupol, for instance? After they finish building all the new apartment blocks [1]. And Bakhmut currently looks way worse than Mariupol ever did, but I guess the West's attention has mostly shifted elsewhere. [1] https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1635543087509323777 https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1635543087509323777

AcornGrower 4y ago
The Twitter account you used as source is a far-right, pro-Russian troll. Not very trustworthy.
- EGreg 4y ago
  Where can we get Mariupol footage of whats happening now?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- paganel 4y ago
  Don’t think the Kiev Independent guys have access to Mariupol right now, I just copy-pasted from Twitter one of the first results of “Mariupol new apartments” search. You’re right, most probably those reporting from inside Russian-controlled Mariupol are pro-Russian.
  - MayeulC 4y ago
    Russia's goal with Mariupol seems to be razing the damaged parts of the city to cover up the destruction and their war crimes (see the mariupol theater), and rebuild new buildings on top, to proclaim that it's now a much better city under russian leadership. Of course, ukraine would probably have razed or reconstructed these buildings, but the russian way seems to be explicitly done as a cover-up and propaganda operation. I really doubt they can afford that level of public spending in other cities, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that these construction projects only cover a small portion of the destroyed buildings. To say nothing about the quality of the hastily constructed flats.
_nalply 4y ago
I wonder if Russia is letting Russians taking up residence in the new houses and what the consequences would be later.
- ImHereToVote 4y ago
  Depends what you mean by Russian? If you mean someone who's first language is Russian, then not much will change.
K5EiS 4y ago
Finished but with a lot of problems https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615462194023473152 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615462194023473152

jgilias 4y ago

What do you think would happen to people going around and taking pictures of the damage in Mariupol while it’s under occupation?

EGreg 4y ago
Nothing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k Life is returning back to normal after a horrific battle that did not need to happen. Most civilians don’t care so much under which government they live, they just want health and safety first and foremost. Governments and states create the problems, in my opinion. Politicians should serve the people, not create war. In an ideal world, the states would be replaced with agencies that compete for yearly contracts from neighborhoods. Instead of killing civilians for a flag, the civilians would renew contracts for roads, police etc. from competing agencies and none of it would be bundled together in “a state”.
- jgilias 4y ago
  I didn’t want to spell it out, but apparently I must. They’d end up in torture chambers like in Kherson: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukraines-kherson-financed-by-russian-state-investigators-2023-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukrain...
  - 93po 4y ago
    I'm glad corporate news is now properly classifying waterboarding as torture.
  - throwaway742 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE
    - relaxmusic 4y ago
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