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"Take some paracetamol and come back in two weeks" written in a piece of paper would be enough to replace most of my doctors (even if I already managed symptoms

by vasco 4y ago

"Take some paracetamol and come back in two weeks" written in a piece of paper would be enough to replace most of my doctors (even if I already managed symptoms for 2 weeks before going). In the worst case they prescribed that for a brain tumour. So yeah I'll take google and ChatGPT and upload my MRIs there before I trust some random person that I can't even tell if they are good at their job. ChatGPT at least doesn't speak matter of factly and peer pressure me into doing whatever thing takes less time to get me out the door and the next person in.

p-e-w 4y ago
It'll be interesting to see how long the medical industry will manage to FUD people into being scared of taking their symptoms to an AI, considering that they have been treating patients like cattle to be stamped off essentially since forever. The bar of competence set by most doctors is so hilariously low that any smart person with a search engine has been able to outdo the typical GP for a while now. All the accumulated knowledge these professionals have is worthless if they don't take more than 3 minutes to look at the patient. Imagine if, as an engineering consultant, you took just 3 minutes in total for your customer, including the customer describing their problem. They would literally be better off just googling it instead. There's no reason to expect this to be different for doctors, and indeed it isn't.
- numpad0 4y ago
  > Imagine if, as an engineering consultant, you took just 3 minutes in total for your customer, including the customer describing their problem. So, as a HN user, how many times did that not happen to you?
  - p-e-w 4y ago
    It never happened. If I, or any other engineer, tried to treat customers like that we'd get laughed out of the "consultation". That people (are forced to) accept this kind of behavior from medical professionals is nothing short of insane.
    - numpad0 4y ago
      Is it your point that it's insane to expect customer to appreciate your intervention in that attitude, or that it's insane to believe that you can identify a problem that way? Aren't you conflating value/social engineering with technical problem solving? I mean, have you seriously never had a "knowing where to put the chalk mark" moment, neither in the medical nor in the engineering fields, neither as a customer nor as the professional, aside that it is not a great presentation to precede a fat invoice?
bboygravity 4y ago
I'm going to guess that you're in The Netherlands?
- vasco 4y ago
  I made it easy by giving away the paracetamol line, didn't I?
  - bboygravity 4y ago
    And the 2 weeks ;) It's a known stereotype of Dutch GP's among expats in The Netherlands: no matter what limb(s) are missing, no matter how long you've been bleeding: the first time you go you go see the GP you'll get "take paracetamol and let me know if you still have issues in 2 weeks". lol
lostlogin 4y ago
I’m an MR tech. A few weeks ago I was scanning a shoulder with unusual muscle denervation. The images have their signal boosted by AI, and resolution doubled by AI. I described the image findings to GPT and asked for a differential. The radiologist thought the results reasonable. It was AI all the way down.

by vasco 4y ago

p-e-w 4y ago

It'll be interesting to see how long the medical industry will manage to FUD people into being scared of taking their symptoms to an AI, considering that they have been treating patients like cattle to be stamped off essentially since forever. The bar of competence set by most doctors is so hilariously low that any smart person with a search engine has been able to outdo the typical GP for a while now. All the accumulated knowledge these professionals have is worthless if they don't take more than 3 minutes to look at the patient. Imagine if, as an engineering consultant, you took just 3 minutes in total for your customer, including the customer describing their problem. They would literally be better off just googling it instead. There's no reason to expect this to be different for doctors, and indeed it isn't.

numpad0 4y ago
> Imagine if, as an engineering consultant, you took just 3 minutes in total for your customer, including the customer describing their problem. So, as a HN user, how many times did that not happen to you?
- p-e-w 4y ago
  It never happened. If I, or any other engineer, tried to treat customers like that we'd get laughed out of the "consultation". That people (are forced to) accept this kind of behavior from medical professionals is nothing short of insane.
  - numpad0 4y ago
    Is it your point that it's insane to expect customer to appreciate your intervention in that attitude, or that it's insane to believe that you can identify a problem that way? Aren't you conflating value/social engineering with technical problem solving? I mean, have you seriously never had a "knowing where to put the chalk mark" moment, neither in the medical nor in the engineering fields, neither as a customer nor as the professional, aside that it is not a great presentation to precede a fat invoice?

bboygravity 4y ago

I'm going to guess that you're in The Netherlands?

vasco 4y ago
I made it easy by giving away the paracetamol line, didn't I?
- bboygravity 4y ago
  And the 2 weeks ;) It's a known stereotype of Dutch GP's among expats in The Netherlands: no matter what limb(s) are missing, no matter how long you've been bleeding: the first time you go you go see the GP you'll get "take paracetamol and let me know if you still have issues in 2 weeks". lol

lostlogin 4y ago

I’m an MR tech. A few weeks ago I was scanning a shoulder with unusual muscle denervation. The images have their signal boosted by AI, and resolution doubled by AI. I described the image findings to GPT and asked for a differential. The radiologist thought the results reasonable. It was AI all the way down.