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It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by GPT-4 in about 3~6 months. Someone is going to blindly follow GPT-4's m

It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by GPT-4 in about 3~6 months. Someone is going to blindly follow GPT-4's medical advice and meet their end.

p-e-w 4y ago
No problem, as long as GPT-4's advice saves more people than it harms.
- rvz 4y ago
  They said that about Telsa FSD and after many years, not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention, despite promising "robo-taxi level AI". One anecdote is not even close for this to be reliable for life and death advice, especially with the high risk of hallucination and sophistry. This is survivorship bias at its finest.
  - raincole 4y ago
    > not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention It's a very good thing. Especially regarding GPT-4. Better than people fully trusting it and following its advice.
    - rvz 4y ago
      That is my point. In the case for FSD, the driver must be attentive and behind the wheel at all times.
  - p-e-w 4y ago
    That's ironic, considering that in this case it was THE DOCTOR whose advice would have killed the patient, and ChatGPT who saved them. The pedestals that our society has put professionals on are going to start tumbling very soon now.
    - aabhay 4y ago
      Right, just try being the one to make the injection based on a chatbot.
    - rvz 4y ago
      > That's ironic, considering that in this case it was THE DOCTOR whose advice would have killed the patient, and ChatGPT who saved them. And surely one anecdote makes a black box AI very trustworthy and reliable against human doctors. /s > The pedestals that our society has put professionals on are going to start tumbling very soon now. Nope. Not even close. The OP did not treat the patient by themselves, they reviewed the output with a human doctor. I don't think even you yourself would begin to follow ChatGPT's advice and treat and inject yourself without input from an experienced human doctor based on ONE statistic of it saving someone's life especially them going to a second human doctor.
  - JimDabell 4y ago
    > They said that about Telsa FSD and after many years, not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention It’s only been available in beta to a significant number of people for about 18 months, hasn’t it?
  - izacus 4y ago
    It's absolutely not a coincidence that the same grifters that shilled murderous Tesla FSD are now all in at shilling GPT (essentially "top-google-result-as-doctor") as solution for humanity without any kind of criticism and nuance. It's the core of techbroism. LLMs have proven to be an excellent tool for data recall in this information age - but tech worshippers alwant to sell them as decision makers as well and that will cause more evil than even what Zuckerberg and co. accidentally brought to humanity.
  - satoshiiii 4y ago
    Consider the possibilities if GPT-4 were an AGI capable of performing diagnoses, as opposed to being solely an LLM AI.
- ralusek 4y ago
  Utilitarian/consequentialist stuff needs to stop. Please.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    Because why? Are you arguing that the lives of people with access to proper healthcare are more important than those without?
- tim333 4y ago
  "Each year, 134 million adverse events occur in hospitals in low- and middle-income countries (LMICs), due to unsafe care, resulting in 2.6 million deaths" - WHO There's some scope for improvement there.
davidkuennen 4y ago
We currently have three doctors in our local town, which is already a lot for Germany. All of those are completely overworked and close to retirement age. I cannot imagine what it will like be when they're gone without replacement. Maybe we need to reconsider our approach to this and AI can certainly play a vital role in improving the situation. Our life expectancy may even rise, because it's much more accessible.
rlt 4y ago
I mean, people accidentally killed themselves consuming fish tank cleaning product thinking it would save them from COVID-19 too [1] At some point you can't help people who lack common sense. 1. https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/Man-Dies-Wife-Hospitalized-From-Ingesting-Fish-Tank-Cleaner-to-Prevent-COVID-19/57707 https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/...
anoy8888 4y ago
In development countries , you will be surprised how many lives were taken away because of not enough access to health care or getting bad diagnosis from overworked doctors
wiseowise 4y ago
> It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by medical reference book in about 3~6 months. > Someone is going to blindly follow medical reference book’s medical advice and meet their end. > It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by internet in about 3~6 months. > Someone is going to blindly follow medical internet’s medical advice and meet their end.
icelancer 4y ago
People blindly follow their doctor's advice and meet their end. As would the OP's dog. Do not compare GPT-4 or other AI products against the ideal. Compare it to the base rate.
thdespou 4y ago
If that happens, I'm sure regulators will intervene and force OpenAI to stop giving medical advice.

It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by GPT-4 in about 3~6 months. Someone is going to blindly follow GPT-4's medical advice and meet their end.

p-e-w 4y ago

No problem, as long as GPT-4's advice saves more people than it harms.

rvz 4y ago
They said that about Telsa FSD and after many years, not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention, despite promising "robo-taxi level AI". One anecdote is not even close for this to be reliable for life and death advice, especially with the high risk of hallucination and sophistry. This is survivorship bias at its finest.
- raincole 4y ago
  > not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention It's a very good thing. Especially regarding GPT-4. Better than people fully trusting it and following its advice.
  - rvz 4y ago
    That is my point. In the case for FSD, the driver must be attentive and behind the wheel at all times.
- p-e-w 4y ago
  That's ironic, considering that in this case it was THE DOCTOR whose advice would have killed the patient, and ChatGPT who saved them. The pedestals that our society has put professionals on are going to start tumbling very soon now.
  - aabhay 4y ago
    Right, just try being the one to make the injection based on a chatbot.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > That's ironic, considering that in this case it was THE DOCTOR whose advice would have killed the patient, and ChatGPT who saved them. And surely one anecdote makes a black box AI very trustworthy and reliable against human doctors. /s > The pedestals that our society has put professionals on are going to start tumbling very soon now. Nope. Not even close. The OP did not treat the patient by themselves, they reviewed the output with a human doctor. I don't think even you yourself would begin to follow ChatGPT's advice and treat and inject yourself without input from an experienced human doctor based on ONE statistic of it saving someone's life especially them going to a second human doctor.
- JimDabell 4y ago
  > They said that about Telsa FSD and after many years, not many drivers trust fully trust it to drive without any human intervention It’s only been available in beta to a significant number of people for about 18 months, hasn’t it?
- izacus 4y ago
  It's absolutely not a coincidence that the same grifters that shilled murderous Tesla FSD are now all in at shilling GPT (essentially "top-google-result-as-doctor") as solution for humanity without any kind of criticism and nuance. It's the core of techbroism. LLMs have proven to be an excellent tool for data recall in this information age - but tech worshippers alwant to sell them as decision makers as well and that will cause more evil than even what Zuckerberg and co. accidentally brought to humanity.
- satoshiiii 4y ago
  Consider the possibilities if GPT-4 were an AGI capable of performing diagnoses, as opposed to being solely an LLM AI.
ralusek 4y ago
Utilitarian/consequentialist stuff needs to stop. Please.
- kortilla 4y ago
  Because why? Are you arguing that the lives of people with access to proper healthcare are more important than those without?
tim333 4y ago
"Each year, 134 million adverse events occur in hospitals in low- and middle-income countries (LMICs), due to unsafe care, resulting in 2.6 million deaths" - WHO There's some scope for improvement there.

davidkuennen 4y ago

We currently have three doctors in our local town, which is already a lot for Germany. All of those are completely overworked and close to retirement age. I cannot imagine what it will like be when they're gone without replacement. Maybe we need to reconsider our approach to this and AI can certainly play a vital role in improving the situation. Our life expectancy may even rise, because it's much more accessible.

rlt 4y ago

I mean, people accidentally killed themselves consuming fish tank cleaning product thinking it would save them from COVID-19 too [1] At some point you can't help people who lack common sense. 1. https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/Man-Dies-Wife-Hospitalized-From-Ingesting-Fish-Tank-Cleaner-to-Prevent-COVID-19/57707 https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/...

anoy8888 4y ago

In development countries , you will be surprised how many lives were taken away because of not enough access to health care or getting bad diagnosis from overworked doctors

wiseowise 4y ago

> It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by medical reference book in about 3~6 months. > Someone is going to blindly follow medical reference book’s medical advice and meet their end. > It's incredible, but I think we're going to witness the first person who gets killed by internet in about 3~6 months. > Someone is going to blindly follow medical internet’s medical advice and meet their end.

icelancer 4y ago

People blindly follow their doctor's advice and meet their end. As would the OP's dog. Do not compare GPT-4 or other AI products against the ideal. Compare it to the base rate.

thdespou 4y ago

If that happens, I'm sure regulators will intervene and force OpenAI to stop giving medical advice.