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The idea that nobody is entitled to privacy until they turn 18 is crazy. I shudder for all the LGBT kids whose parents all now have a (state enforced!) right to
by blintz 4y ago
The idea that nobody is entitled to privacy until they turn 18 is crazy. I shudder for all the LGBT kids whose parents all now have a (state enforced!) right to snoop on them.
(Honestly headline should be: “Utah bill gives parents full access to their children's online accounts, including posts and private messages”)
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> that nobody is entitled to privacy until they turn 18 is crazy But precedented, through the history of parenting.
- jquery 4y agoChild abuse is precedented, doesn't make it okay.
- JumpCrisscross 4y agoStraw man.
- jquery 4y agoThe most likely parents to exercise a right to read their 16-year-old teenager's online messages would be abusive, controlling ones.
- sacnoradhq 4y agoThat's a further, unsubstantiated assumption of malice. Some involved, worrying parents want to know their kids aren't getting mixed up with bad lifestyle habits or dangerous persons.
- WeylandYutani 4y agoThe American stance on children is different. Children are the property of their parents, to raise and indoctrinate however one sees fit. Luckily everyone grows up and when you're 18 you can move to a Democrat state never entering a church ever again.
- kepler1 4y agoWhy are LGBT youth for some reason the special subgroup of people against whom every concern about rights being tested against? More so than anyone else's rights? It's like they somehow occupy a privileged position in your mind that everyone has to watch out for this group. Why is that?
- blintz 4y agoI’m gay, so it just hits more personally.
- monksy 4y agoI'm not, but I wish it was known that I want to unify in the importance and right to privacy.
- Barrin92 4y ago>against whom every concern about rights being tested against? because they're often the first group these legislations aim at. It's no coincidence that the state in question is Utah, effectively run by the Mormon church with a strong interest in censoring youth access to the internet.
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- JackMorgan 4y agoDownvoted for speaking real facts right here. Many Christians are given a pass to feel contempt for LGBTQ folks, which leads to dehumanization and hate. I had friends growing up in the 90s who were outed and then forcibly disappeared off to realignment camps. I never saw two of them again and lost contact. After the camp didn't work, they were sent away to live with relatives or boarding schools so to not embarrass the parents with the gay. The comment above isn't hyperbole, it's what really happens. I grew up in terror of my close LGBTQ friends ever getting outed, because I knew we'd never see them again. We all did everything we could to help them keep their cover. We'd never even mention it, we all just knew, and would fabricate stories that made them appear straight. And keep in mind, there is no evidence that conversion therapy has any success rate. However, it is well known to increase suicide rate by 2.5x. The people who run these groups know they don't work, but do it anyway. There's a saying that sums this up perfectly, "the cruelty is the point".
- Illniyar 4y agoChildren are not entitled to autonomy - they do not have freedom of movement in general, freedom of employment etc... Privacy, like any other form of autonomy, is in control of the parent and should be given out as part of the educational process. 18 perhaps is too old for the state to grant independence, but that's a problem in general and not restricted to privacy.
- guerrilla 4y ago> Children are not entitled to autonomy Counterpoint: Of coursw they are.
- vasco 4y agoYou should go read about children's rights ratified by pretty much every country on earth.
- photochemsyn 4y agoI recently saw a short video by Syria's Assad in which he argues that parents should be able to dictate their religious beliefs to their children, rather than allowing children to decide their religious beliefs on their own initiative. It's somewhat less extreme than the old medieval feudal that the feudal lord should be able to dictate their religious beliefs to their serf population, but not really by much. Freedom of choice with respect to religious beliefs, and legal bans on religious discrimination, are a fundamental necessity in any democratic system of government. Additionally, children do have the right to privacy, just as adults do.
- Dalewyn 4y ago>Utah bill gives parents full access to their children's online accounts, including posts and private messages I see no problem with that. Parents, as legal guardians, are legally liable for their childrens' actions. Parenting also necessitates having privileged knowledge of their childrens' circumstances and situations. So no, I see no problem with parents having "full access to their children's online accounts". That is simply part of the duties and responsibilities as parents, and whether the parents exercise their authority is also their decision to make as they raise their children.
- watwut 4y agoThis makes abuse much worst. Also, this is about teenagers - 16-18 years old. Parent demanding full control is neither normal nor healthy nor something historically expected.
- Dalewyn 4y agoTeenagers are still minors and legally beholden to their parents or guardians. Parents should have full access to their childrens' circumstances because parenting occasionally requires such privileged information. Whether parents would make full use of such authority is another story, of course. In most cases they probably won't, but the option to exercise must exist in order for parents to parent properly.
- watwut 4y agoI think that this is simply not true. Actually, starting 16 parents dont have access to what was said in psychologist office anymore. Nor should they. Parents should not have full access to their teenage children diaries nor to all their communication. > Whether parents would make full use of such authority is another story, of course The most abusive parents would use that access.
- sacnoradhq 4y ago"Entitled to privacy" from whom? 1. Corporations? 2. Educators? 3. Strangers? or 4. Parents?
- ngngngng 4y ago> (Honestly headline should be: “Utah bill gives parents full access to their children's online accounts, including posts and private messages”) Cool, lets do that. I witnessed and experienced the mental health crisis Tumblr caused. It's not worth it. Take all the kids off the internet. Save some lives.