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>Shoplifting is now legal Wut?

by mym1990 4y ago

IE6 4y ago
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- farmaway 4y ago
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  - magicalist 4y ago
    Why are we still citing a WSJ oped trying to amplify a company's press releases that even they now admit were a made up narrative?
    - farmaway 4y ago
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      - magicalist 4y ago
        > San Francisco decriminalized thefts under a dollar value of $950. This is direct, object-level proof of the original point in question. Even a cursory search will inform you this is false, so let's not swing around accusations of acting in bad faith. Shoplifting under $950 is a misdemeanor and still punishable by jail time. The argument that the only way to stop shoplifting is to have tougher sentences is the kind of galaxy brain take that gave us five decades and counting of the War on Drugs. And as I noted in another comment, there was no evidence of this rash of shoplifting these stories so breathlessly repeated, and Walgreens themselves now admit it https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shopli... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Is-shoplifting-forcing-Walgreens-to-cut-back-in-16536960.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Is-shoplifting-forcin...
        farmaway 4y ago
        >Even a cursory search will inform you this is false I did a cursory search and instantly substantiated the WSJ's claim: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-san-francisco-shoplifting-video-goes-viral-officials-argue-thefts-n1273848 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-san-francisco-sho... >In an interview with NBC News last week, Scott suggested that California's Proposition 47, which voters passed in 2014 and lowered criminal sentences for certain nonviolent crimes like shoplifting and check forgery, is being exploited by those who want to commit theft. The initiative set a threshold of $950 for shoplifting to be considered a misdemeanor, which doesn't prompt law enforcement to make an arrest, rather than a felony, which could incur harsh penalties like jail time. Just give up the semantic games already. Walgreens is closing many of their stores in SF due to crime. Your last link pulls the trick of acknowledging objective reality in the first paragraph, then inventing fanfiction to handwave it away for the rest of the article: >One of the stores set to close, on Ocean Avenue, had only seven reported shoplifting incidents this year and a total of 23 since 2018, the data showed. While not all shoplifting incidents are reported to police, the five stores slated to close had fewer than two recorded shoplifting incidents a month on average since 2018. Store owners aren't reporting thefts of under $950 to the police because the DA and police told them they won't do anything about it, which is the point I have proven that you keep trying to dodge.
- fortran77 4y ago
  And you're just repeating what DailyKos or OccupyDemocrats told you!
jjulius 4y ago
They've taken stories about a very small number of cities, albeit large metro areas such as San Francisco, reapproaching how they prosecute shoplifters or how police prioritize responding to shoplifters. Not only is shoplifting not legal on a broad scale, but it's a very disingenuous interpretation.
- brightball 4y ago
  Wasn’t there some city that said they wouldn’t pursue anything under $1,000? I swear I remember hearing that in the last couple of years. EDIT: Found several stories about it. https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239 https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft...
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >said they wouldn’t pursue anything under $1,000? When your iPhone gets stolen and the police does nothing does that mean stealing iPhones is legal?
    - 29083011397778 4y ago
      Effectively, yes. Going ten over the limit here isn't "legal", per se, but it's not something you'll be pulled over for, so everyone does it. It's "legal".
      - hardlianotion 4y ago
        Still illegal, but police don’t prioritise enforcement. This can be written precisely.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        Eh, de facto legalised. When states legalise marijuana and the Fed’s don’t enforce, we freely call it legalised, even if that isn’t technically correct, because it practically is. Shoplifting is de facto legalised in San Francisco.
nine_k 4y ago
Welcome to San Francisco, where police would not be bothered by cases of theft that are too petty for them, which is below $950. https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto...
- black_13 4y ago
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>Shoplifting is now legal Wut?

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farmaway 4y ago
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- magicalist 4y ago
  Why are we still citing a WSJ oped trying to amplify a company's press releases that even they now admit were a made up narrative?
  - farmaway 4y ago
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    - magicalist 4y ago
      > San Francisco decriminalized thefts under a dollar value of $950. This is direct, object-level proof of the original point in question. Even a cursory search will inform you this is false, so let's not swing around accusations of acting in bad faith. Shoplifting under $950 is a misdemeanor and still punishable by jail time. The argument that the only way to stop shoplifting is to have tougher sentences is the kind of galaxy brain take that gave us five decades and counting of the War on Drugs. And as I noted in another comment, there was no evidence of this rash of shoplifting these stories so breathlessly repeated, and Walgreens themselves now admit it https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shopli... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Is-shoplifting-forcing-Walgreens-to-cut-back-in-16536960.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Is-shoplifting-forcin...
      - farmaway 4y ago
        >Even a cursory search will inform you this is false I did a cursory search and instantly substantiated the WSJ's claim: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-san-francisco-shoplifting-video-goes-viral-officials-argue-thefts-n1273848 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-san-francisco-sho... >In an interview with NBC News last week, Scott suggested that California's Proposition 47, which voters passed in 2014 and lowered criminal sentences for certain nonviolent crimes like shoplifting and check forgery, is being exploited by those who want to commit theft. The initiative set a threshold of $950 for shoplifting to be considered a misdemeanor, which doesn't prompt law enforcement to make an arrest, rather than a felony, which could incur harsh penalties like jail time. Just give up the semantic games already. Walgreens is closing many of their stores in SF due to crime. Your last link pulls the trick of acknowledging objective reality in the first paragraph, then inventing fanfiction to handwave it away for the rest of the article: >One of the stores set to close, on Ocean Avenue, had only seven reported shoplifting incidents this year and a total of 23 since 2018, the data showed. While not all shoplifting incidents are reported to police, the five stores slated to close had fewer than two recorded shoplifting incidents a month on average since 2018. Store owners aren't reporting thefts of under $950 to the police because the DA and police told them they won't do anything about it, which is the point I have proven that you keep trying to dodge.
fortran77 4y ago
And you're just repeating what DailyKos or OccupyDemocrats told you!

jjulius 4y ago

They've taken stories about a very small number of cities, albeit large metro areas such as San Francisco, reapproaching how they prosecute shoplifters or how police prioritize responding to shoplifters. Not only is shoplifting not legal on a broad scale, but it's a very disingenuous interpretation.

brightball 4y ago
Wasn’t there some city that said they wouldn’t pursue anything under $1,000? I swear I remember hearing that in the last couple of years. EDIT: Found several stories about it. https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239 https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft...
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >said they wouldn’t pursue anything under $1,000? When your iPhone gets stolen and the police does nothing does that mean stealing iPhones is legal?
  - 29083011397778 4y ago
    Effectively, yes. Going ten over the limit here isn't "legal", per se, but it's not something you'll be pulled over for, so everyone does it. It's "legal".
    - hardlianotion 4y ago
      Still illegal, but police don’t prioritise enforcement. This can be written precisely.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        Eh, de facto legalised. When states legalise marijuana and the Fed’s don’t enforce, we freely call it legalised, even if that isn’t technically correct, because it practically is. Shoplifting is de facto legalised in San Francisco.

nine_k 4y ago

Welcome to San Francisco, where police would not be bothered by cases of theft that are too petty for them, which is below $950. https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto...

black_13 4y ago
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