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That I actually don't mind because the government controls the production and distribution of maple syrup in Canada and unfairly harms independent growers in fa

That I actually don't mind because the government controls the production and distribution of maple syrup in Canada and unfairly harms independent growers in favor of its own cartel.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
This made me chuckle because of the analogy to bearer bonds. “They’re insured by the government! Don’t be a hero, everyone gets to go to their family.” But maple syrup.
Waterluvian 4y ago
I tap my own trees. Don’t tell the government, I guess? I haven’t actually heard of this before. Are you talking about how they regulate quality and grade in order to prevent low-quality knock-offs from hurting farmers? I’ll have to ask the local syrup farmers in town next time I’m at the market what they think.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  Wasn’t the issue that they put a cap on production to keep prices higher?
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Oh. I’m not aware of that. That would be a contentious thing to do for sure.
  - fabianhjr 4y ago
    A reserve to stabilize prices not unlike what many oil-dependent and oil-producing countries do. (Oil-producing countries reduce sales if prices drop, oil-dependent use their reserves if prices rise)
    - gruez 4y ago
      It's also cartel behavior and detrimental to the wider economy. Just because "many oil-dependent and oil-producing countries" does this doesn't justify it.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  Please tell us more! I watched a documentary, but here's an article I found. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-19/world-s-maple-syrup-market-has-quebec-cartel-calling-the-shots https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-19/world-s-m... Edit. Another article and I found the documentary, it was Dirty Money on Netflix https://capx.co/an-unsavoury-business-the-story-of-canadas-syrup-cartel/ https://capx.co/an-unsavoury-business-the-story-of-canadas-s...
- chiph 4y ago
  There's a lot more to this than I thought would be. One of those things that is simple in theory but complex in practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvMQTQB-BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvMQTQB-BI
- jt2190 4y ago
  Not sure if you're tapping maple trees in Canada, but this is about Quebec, specifically the "Strategic Reserve" of the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers [1]. In general, Canada allows for controls on the supply-side in agriculture, including limiting imports. The alternative is to take the approach used in the U.S. of allowing prices to fall to unsustainable levels but then providing cash subsidies to producers. There has been a decades-long conversation about this between the two countries, of course. [1] "The World's Only Reserve of Maple Syrup" https://ppaq.ca/en/sale-purchase-maple-syrup/worlds-only-reserve-maple-syrup/ https://ppaq.ca/en/sale-purchase-maple-syrup/worlds-only-res...

That I actually don't mind because the government controls the production and distribution of maple syrup in Canada and unfairly harms independent growers in favor of its own cartel.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

This made me chuckle because of the analogy to bearer bonds. “They’re insured by the government! Don’t be a hero, everyone gets to go to their family.” But maple syrup.

Waterluvian 4y ago

I tap my own trees. Don’t tell the government, I guess? I haven’t actually heard of this before. Are you talking about how they regulate quality and grade in order to prevent low-quality knock-offs from hurting farmers? I’ll have to ask the local syrup farmers in town next time I’m at the market what they think.

colechristensen 4y ago
Wasn’t the issue that they put a cap on production to keep prices higher?
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Oh. I’m not aware of that. That would be a contentious thing to do for sure.
- fabianhjr 4y ago
  A reserve to stabilize prices not unlike what many oil-dependent and oil-producing countries do. (Oil-producing countries reduce sales if prices drop, oil-dependent use their reserves if prices rise)
  - gruez 4y ago
    It's also cartel behavior and detrimental to the wider economy. Just because "many oil-dependent and oil-producing countries" does this doesn't justify it.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
Please tell us more! I watched a documentary, but here's an article I found. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-19/world-s-maple-syrup-market-has-quebec-cartel-calling-the-shots https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-19/world-s-m... Edit. Another article and I found the documentary, it was Dirty Money on Netflix https://capx.co/an-unsavoury-business-the-story-of-canadas-syrup-cartel/ https://capx.co/an-unsavoury-business-the-story-of-canadas-s...
chiph 4y ago
There's a lot more to this than I thought would be. One of those things that is simple in theory but complex in practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvMQTQB-BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvMQTQB-BI
jt2190 4y ago
Not sure if you're tapping maple trees in Canada, but this is about Quebec, specifically the "Strategic Reserve" of the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers [1]. In general, Canada allows for controls on the supply-side in agriculture, including limiting imports. The alternative is to take the approach used in the U.S. of allowing prices to fall to unsustainable levels but then providing cash subsidies to producers. There has been a decades-long conversation about this between the two countries, of course. [1] "The World's Only Reserve of Maple Syrup" https://ppaq.ca/en/sale-purchase-maple-syrup/worlds-only-reserve-maple-syrup/ https://ppaq.ca/en/sale-purchase-maple-syrup/worlds-only-res...