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I thought Concorde was priced similarly to business class tickets on regular planes so I thought the trade off was speed vs lie-flat seating rather than speed v
by dan-robertson 4y ago
I thought Concorde was priced similarly to business class tickets on regular planes so I thought the trade off was speed vs lie-flat seating rather than speed vs dollars.[1]
There used to be a flight (BA1?) that showed a market desire for faster transatlantic flights: it took off from London City airport (lower travel time, potentially much lower; also less time in the airport as it’s smaller), all business class, flew to Ireland to refuel (runway is too short for it to take off fully loaded), passengers would do US passport control and customs in Ireland while the plane refuelled, then land in JFK and get transport to the city. I don’t think it has been reinstated since covid though. In the reverse direction, one could take a helicopter from downtown Manhattan to JFK, which improves speed except you need to arrive in advance of the flight and get a flight at a certain time, but you would go through security (and check-in?) in the heliport and so be on the post-security side when you got to JFK. I think they only have a midtown heliport now. You can book it through Uber, I think, and it is sometimes cheaper than an Uber to the airport.
So, I think there is some interest amongst frequent travellers for faster flights. I personally don’t sleep very well on flights so if I had a choice between a 7 hour lie-flat redeye from New York to London and a 3.5 hour[2] non-lie-flat flight at the same price, I would prefer the latter. But this would matter more if the travel/waiting time before/after the flight were reduced.
[1] I looked it up and I was wrong here. The cost was 10-15% more than first class which would have been more expensive than business class.
[2] I’m not sure what the right number to write down here is.
- ghaff 4y agoConcorde predated business class seating (and lie-flat) and, yeah, there was a premium over first class. (I had heard 30% but whatever.) My dad got "upgraded" once but he actually preferred regular (Pan Am I think) first class because of meal on board and timing. Usually I'll take a day flight from NYC to London anyway so lie-flat doesn't really matter. I am taking a red-eye in a couple weeks, which I really try to avoid, but that's because United now has a direct from Boston to London so doing the zero dark thirty thing via Newark doesn't really make sense. If I'm awake the whole time, business is nicer but not a couple grand nicer for 7 hours or so. I can have some really nice meals and other things for that in London if I want to. Yeah, there's no heliport at the former Pan Am building now but there is a heliport in midtown. BA1 was the business class only LCY-JFK flight. It stopped and hasn't restarted AFAIK. Business-class only has been a tough sell economically.