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Initial efficacy was ~95% against infection.

hammock 4y ago
A close examination of Pfizer trial results has called this figure into question. See thread https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1633937931319787520?s=20 https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1633937931319787520?s=...
- themitigating 4y ago
  Did the president know that when he made the statement? Why is it that Faccui, the CDC, and the WHO are so hated but I haven't heard for an investigation into Pfizer.
  - rnk 4y ago
    People whine about them because they hear about it on Fox news and social media. Reality doesn't matter if you get a 20 way forwarded email.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  So his whole complaint is that covid tests used in the trial were done at a single central lab? I mean, yeah? Reduce variables?
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  Forgive me if I'm not up-to-date on all the, uhh, stinky cheese, do they address the fact that we saw very similar effectiveness numbers in real-world tests after the roll out of the vaccine? e.g. 91%, 94%, 95.3% in these three studies? https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
guelo 4y ago
It was way more effective against pre-omicron variants.
- VagueMag 4y ago
  No, even by the time of Delta it was clear the efficacy against infection was marginal at best. The CDC acknowledged this in its Provincetown study in late July 2021 and recommended the reimposition of mask mandates as a result.
  - enragedcacti 4y ago
    The Provincetown study does not say that, it says that people who do get infected likely carry a similar viral load regardless of vaccination status, which was a reversal from what was seen in the initial strain. This represented an increased risk of transmission on its own that they felt warranted an increase in precaution. > data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
  - guelo 4y ago
    too lazy to look it up right now but VE against infection was around 60-80% within 4 months of taking the shot
    - VagueMag 4y ago
      If there was any substance whatsoever to these sorts of numbers then highly vaxxed jurisdictions would show significantly better case rates, and they absolutely do not.
Karunamon 4y ago
Even if that figure is correct, that statement was unequivocally and demonstrably false. We really should not be making excuses for politicians lying to the public; it is never acceptable, and we have every right to demand better. Turn it around. The antivaxxer types can now claim, correctly even, that officials lied multiple times about the efficacy of the countermeasures. That is not the kind of ammunition you want to be giving out during the next public health crisis.
- deleted 4y ago
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A close examination of Pfizer trial results has called this figure into question. See thread https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1633937931319787520?s=20 https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1633937931319787520?s=...

themitigating 4y ago
Did the president know that when he made the statement? Why is it that Faccui, the CDC, and the WHO are so hated but I haven't heard for an investigation into Pfizer.
- rnk 4y ago
  People whine about them because they hear about it on Fox news and social media. Reality doesn't matter if you get a 20 way forwarded email.
robertoandred 4y ago
So his whole complaint is that covid tests used in the trial were done at a single central lab? I mean, yeah? Reduce variables?
enragedcacti 4y ago
Forgive me if I'm not up-to-date on all the, uhh, stinky cheese, do they address the fact that we saw very similar effectiveness numbers in real-world tests after the roll out of the vaccine? e.g. 91%, 94%, 95.3% in these three studies? https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

guelo 4y ago

It was way more effective against pre-omicron variants.

VagueMag 4y ago
No, even by the time of Delta it was clear the efficacy against infection was marginal at best. The CDC acknowledged this in its Provincetown study in late July 2021 and recommended the reimposition of mask mandates as a result.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  The Provincetown study does not say that, it says that people who do get infected likely carry a similar viral load regardless of vaccination status, which was a reversal from what was seen in the initial strain. This represented an increased risk of transmission on its own that they felt warranted an increase in precaution. > data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
- guelo 4y ago
  too lazy to look it up right now but VE against infection was around 60-80% within 4 months of taking the shot
  - VagueMag 4y ago
    If there was any substance whatsoever to these sorts of numbers then highly vaxxed jurisdictions would show significantly better case rates, and they absolutely do not.

Karunamon 4y ago

Even if that figure is correct, that statement was unequivocally and demonstrably false. We really should not be making excuses for politicians lying to the public; it is never acceptable, and we have every right to demand better. Turn it around. The antivaxxer types can now claim, correctly even, that officials lied multiple times about the efficacy of the countermeasures. That is not the kind of ammunition you want to be giving out during the next public health crisis.

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