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The ACA just gave more power and money to these same scummy insurance companies.

davidw 4y ago
So, no, definitely not perfect. Also, some people are alive today because of it, and many are healthier. I'll take that over a better reform that doesn't get passed, and keep working to elect the people necessary for better reforms in the future. This stuff just doesn't happen overnight, sadly.
bee_rider 4y ago
Yeah, we should have done some single payer system, medicare for all or whatever, but unfortunately we don’t have a very strong left wing in the US.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  Blaming someone else is pathetic. It's not a system, it's you.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I’m a U.S. voter, so yes I’m part of this collective failure to vote well/convince my countrymen to vote well. I’m not sure why you think I’m blaming somebody else?
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      You talk about a 'system'. The system is in the mirrors, yours and mine. We are it. American tradition is that one person makes a difference, which seems pushed aside now by the fetishization of despair and doom. Also, it's about far more than voting. Voting is done every once in awhile. Citizenship is every day. Powers-that-be are watching and investing enormous energy in manipulating public opinion - for a reason. It's powerful. Today is the day to act.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        I’m not sure that our comments are really all that connected, I used “single payer healthcare system,” as in the term-of-art for a way of distributing funds for healthcare. You seem to have gotten latched onto the word “system” and seem to be using it in a sort of broad “fight the system” way. There definitely aren’t any healthcare systems inside of my mirror, not even the bathroom one with a cabinet behind it.
        wolverine876 4y ago
        It's a useful way to not address the merits of what I'm saying. That's too bad; we could have talked about something important.
flangola7 4y ago
It got rid of pre existing conditions and the lifetime pay cap. That saved people, including me.

So, no, definitely not perfect. Also, some people are alive today because of it, and many are healthier. I'll take that over a better reform that doesn't get passed, and keep working to elect the people necessary for better reforms in the future. This stuff just doesn't happen overnight, sadly.

bee_rider 4y ago

Yeah, we should have done some single payer system, medicare for all or whatever, but unfortunately we don’t have a very strong left wing in the US.

wolverine876 4y ago
Blaming someone else is pathetic. It's not a system, it's you.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  I’m a U.S. voter, so yes I’m part of this collective failure to vote well/convince my countrymen to vote well. I’m not sure why you think I’m blaming somebody else?
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    You talk about a 'system'. The system is in the mirrors, yours and mine. We are it. American tradition is that one person makes a difference, which seems pushed aside now by the fetishization of despair and doom. Also, it's about far more than voting. Voting is done every once in awhile. Citizenship is every day. Powers-that-be are watching and investing enormous energy in manipulating public opinion - for a reason. It's powerful. Today is the day to act.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      I’m not sure that our comments are really all that connected, I used “single payer healthcare system,” as in the term-of-art for a way of distributing funds for healthcare. You seem to have gotten latched onto the word “system” and seem to be using it in a sort of broad “fight the system” way. There definitely aren’t any healthcare systems inside of my mirror, not even the bathroom one with a cabinet behind it.
      - wolverine876 4y ago
        It's a useful way to not address the merits of what I'm saying. That's too bad; we could have talked about something important.

flangola7 4y ago

It got rid of pre existing conditions and the lifetime pay cap. That saved people, including me.