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That just shows that the us has good medical treatment for people with essentially infinite money who don't have to worry about cost or insurance coverage so th

That just shows that the us has good medical treatment for people with essentially infinite money who don't have to worry about cost or insurance coverage so they can bypass the kind of issue the article is talking about entirely. For normal Americans who actually have to worry about these things, healthcare in the us is a nightmare. You can't just ignore insurance and judge the us healthcare system based on the best hospitals and doctors when most Americans aren't going to have access to that.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> That just shows that the us has good medical treatment for people with essentially infinite money who don't have to worry about cost or insurance coverage so they can bypass the kind of issue the article is talking about entirely. No, that shows that even in places with public healthcare, there are issues. Universal public health care is not the utopia that its proponents religiously advocate for. > You can't just ignore insurance and judge the us healthcare system based on the best hospitals and doctors when most Americans aren't going to have access to that. Most Americans have insurance. You can't ignore real data. Are you from the US? https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF10830.pdf https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF10830.pdf Only roughly 8% are uninsured. > , healthcare in the us is a nightmare Compared to the rest of the world? It is not. US is not the top, but within the top 20. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-heal...
- resoluteteeth 4y ago
  > Most Americans have insurance. You can't ignore real data. Are you from the US? If you're judging the quality of healthcare based on whether people from the US have insurance or do not have insurance it shows that you're fundamentally failing to understand the type of problem the article is discussing, which in this case is specifically that insurance is broken and insurance companies will refuse to pay for treatment even when people have insurance. The people having Cigna refuse to pay for medical treatments as in the article obviously have insurance or they wouldn't be dealing with Cigna in the first place, so I'm not sure how "real data" on the percentage of americans who are insured could possibly refute that. > Compared to the rest of the world? It is not. Yes, US healthcare providers are capable of providing very good care. However, it doesn't matter if the US healthcare providers theoretically provide the best treatment in the world if that treatment is now so expensive and the insurance system is now so broken that a huge percentage of the people can't afford medical treatment even with health insurance (e.g. most americans on bronze/silver health insurance plans). I think this is something that gets missed in a lot of statistics. The reality is that once you factor in the insurance system, and not just healthcare providers, the US healthcare system does not look so great anymore for average americans.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

> That just shows that the us has good medical treatment for people with essentially infinite money who don't have to worry about cost or insurance coverage so they can bypass the kind of issue the article is talking about entirely. No, that shows that even in places with public healthcare, there are issues. Universal public health care is not the utopia that its proponents religiously advocate for. > You can't just ignore insurance and judge the us healthcare system based on the best hospitals and doctors when most Americans aren't going to have access to that. Most Americans have insurance. You can't ignore real data. Are you from the US? https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF10830.pdf https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF10830.pdf Only roughly 8% are uninsured. > , healthcare in the us is a nightmare Compared to the rest of the world? It is not. US is not the top, but within the top 20. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-heal...

resoluteteeth 4y ago
> Most Americans have insurance. You can't ignore real data. Are you from the US? If you're judging the quality of healthcare based on whether people from the US have insurance or do not have insurance it shows that you're fundamentally failing to understand the type of problem the article is discussing, which in this case is specifically that insurance is broken and insurance companies will refuse to pay for treatment even when people have insurance. The people having Cigna refuse to pay for medical treatments as in the article obviously have insurance or they wouldn't be dealing with Cigna in the first place, so I'm not sure how "real data" on the percentage of americans who are insured could possibly refute that. > Compared to the rest of the world? It is not. Yes, US healthcare providers are capable of providing very good care. However, it doesn't matter if the US healthcare providers theoretically provide the best treatment in the world if that treatment is now so expensive and the insurance system is now so broken that a huge percentage of the people can't afford medical treatment even with health insurance (e.g. most americans on bronze/silver health insurance plans). I think this is something that gets missed in a lot of statistics. The reality is that once you factor in the insurance system, and not just healthcare providers, the US healthcare system does not look so great anymore for average americans.