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Fair question. The nuance is that most can read, but not "at their age level" Quote: > In 2021, 47% of Black students in SFUSD that are high school juniors d

Fair question. The nuance is that most can read, but not "at their age level" Quote: > In 2021, 47% of Black students in SFUSD that are high school juniors don’t even come close to meeting English-language proficiency. [...] That means for every one of two Black students leaving San Francisco high schools they can’t read for their age.

ashwagary 4y ago
>The nuance is that most can read, but not "at their age level" I wonder what percentage are learning English as a 2nd language. The problem I see with using "black" as a descriptor is there are recent African immigrants, 1+ gen. African immigrants, Afro latinos, descendants of enslaved Americans, etc... put under one umbrella. How can anyone pinpoint why a % of "black" students have reading issues at similar rates to hispanic students when the statistics pool black people from vastly different backgrounds together?
- caminante 4y ago
  The author cites the pew study [0] that claims less than 10% of the "US black population" is foreign born. I have no idea how things stack in the Bay Area, but I figure that answers your question and implies your nuance likely wouldn't change anything. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/a-rising-share-of-the-u-s-black-population-is-foreign-born/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/a-risin...
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    >The author cites the pew study [0] that claims less than 10% of the "US black population" is foreign born. Yes, when I saw that it was clear to me that being "foreign born" said very little about the population. For example, English can still be a 2nd or 3rd language for recent immigrants with US born children, especially in California and Texas. >I figure that answers your question and implies your nuance likely wouldn't change anything. I disagree, immigrants are most likely unevenly distributed.
    - caminante 4y ago
      You're not disagreeing with me. I explicitly raised the possibility of uneven distribution in my reply. That said, you could probably hunt for some school-level stats in the bay area and make an educated guess.
      - ashwagary 4y ago
        >You're not disagreeing with me. I explicitly raised the possibility of uneven distribution in my reply. I misread, thanks for clarifying.

ashwagary 4y ago

>The nuance is that most can read, but not "at their age level" I wonder what percentage are learning English as a 2nd language. The problem I see with using "black" as a descriptor is there are recent African immigrants, 1+ gen. African immigrants, Afro latinos, descendants of enslaved Americans, etc... put under one umbrella. How can anyone pinpoint why a % of "black" students have reading issues at similar rates to hispanic students when the statistics pool black people from vastly different backgrounds together?

caminante 4y ago
The author cites the pew study [0] that claims less than 10% of the "US black population" is foreign born. I have no idea how things stack in the Bay Area, but I figure that answers your question and implies your nuance likely wouldn't change anything. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/a-rising-share-of-the-u-s-black-population-is-foreign-born/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/a-risin...
- ashwagary 4y ago
  >The author cites the pew study [0] that claims less than 10% of the "US black population" is foreign born. Yes, when I saw that it was clear to me that being "foreign born" said very little about the population. For example, English can still be a 2nd or 3rd language for recent immigrants with US born children, especially in California and Texas. >I figure that answers your question and implies your nuance likely wouldn't change anything. I disagree, immigrants are most likely unevenly distributed.
  - caminante 4y ago
    You're not disagreeing with me. I explicitly raised the possibility of uneven distribution in my reply. That said, you could probably hunt for some school-level stats in the bay area and make an educated guess.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      >You're not disagreeing with me. I explicitly raised the possibility of uneven distribution in my reply. I misread, thanks for clarifying.