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I don't regard machines as having any rights in and of themselves whether they are intelligent or not, because they do not posses souls. There is no moral wrong

I don't regard machines as having any rights in and of themselves whether they are intelligent or not, because they do not posses souls. There is no moral wrong that is inherent to destroying a machine, outside of the fact that it may be someone else's property or serving some active utility.

sorokod 4y ago
Do you poses one? Care to demonstrate?
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  Soul is not a thing that is demonstrated because its nature is extra-physical, it is something you are informed of by divine revelation.
  - sorokod 4y ago
    Is it not possible that your divinity of choice may impart a soul on a LLM? Could you check?
    - antibasilisk 4y ago
      Perhaps if I were not Muslim I would be able to entertain that possibility, but since we've been informed of facts contrary to that then the answer is that they are certainly not alive. We know that we cannot assert anything about God without evidence [Qur'an 7:33], and speculation is not evidence [53:28], so it is not valid to assert something has a soul without evidence. We know that certain metaphysical properties apply to things that have a soul, one of which is experiencing death [29:57]. Things that are described with death by God are: humans, angels, jinn and animals. An LLM is not described by God as possessing death, so it cannot be said that it possesses a soul.
      - sorokod 4y ago
        It looks like your religion dictates an exclusive shortlist of entities "having any rights in and of themselves". Without doubt this simplifies the conversation but are you not concerned that this is a fragile construct? Universe is a big place - apriori you deny any ethical considerations to whatever may be out there as it is not on the list.
        antibasilisk 4y ago
        I act egoistically, my religion only informs me of what is in my interest. If I will not ultimately be held to account for it, then I see no reason to be concerned outside of potential worldly consequences to myself.

sorokod 4y ago

Do you poses one? Care to demonstrate?

antibasilisk 4y ago
Soul is not a thing that is demonstrated because its nature is extra-physical, it is something you are informed of by divine revelation.
- sorokod 4y ago
  Is it not possible that your divinity of choice may impart a soul on a LLM? Could you check?
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    Perhaps if I were not Muslim I would be able to entertain that possibility, but since we've been informed of facts contrary to that then the answer is that they are certainly not alive. We know that we cannot assert anything about God without evidence [Qur'an 7:33], and speculation is not evidence [53:28], so it is not valid to assert something has a soul without evidence. We know that certain metaphysical properties apply to things that have a soul, one of which is experiencing death [29:57]. Things that are described with death by God are: humans, angels, jinn and animals. An LLM is not described by God as possessing death, so it cannot be said that it possesses a soul.
    - sorokod 4y ago
      It looks like your religion dictates an exclusive shortlist of entities "having any rights in and of themselves". Without doubt this simplifies the conversation but are you not concerned that this is a fragile construct? Universe is a big place - apriori you deny any ethical considerations to whatever may be out there as it is not on the list.
      - antibasilisk 4y ago
        I act egoistically, my religion only informs me of what is in my interest. If I will not ultimately be held to account for it, then I see no reason to be concerned outside of potential worldly consequences to myself.