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> Say I've legally purchased an MP3 from Amazon and I decide to use my UberUpload to host the file so I can access it from any device. Then you should use a se

> Say I've legally purchased an MP3 from Amazon and I decide to use my UberUpload to host the file so I can access it from any device. Then you should use a service that: 1) Does not provide unauthenticated access or public links for anyone to use to your backed-up MP3s from Amazon. 2) Is not known as the internet’s hub of piracy. 3) Did not offer bounties for people to upload copyrighted material.

anamax 15y ago
> Then you should use a service that: > 1) Does not provide unauthenticated access or public links for anyone to use to your backed-up MP3s from Amazon. UberUpload does not provide public links for "anyone to use your backed-up MP3s". It provides links so material can be accessed but those links aren't public unless I make them so. (Obama's direct phone number is private even though we know its format. The same principle applies here.)
- powertower 15y ago
  Are we talking about MegaUpload or UberUpload? They seem to be quite different.
  - Natsu 15y ago
    MegaUpload links were not public unless the uploader published them somewhere.
    - powertower 15y ago
      > MegaUpload links were not public unless the uploader published them somewhere. They were publically accessible (as in no authentication was required) regardless of how you want to spin it. But if that's not good enough for you... It's my understanding that megaupload (and it's other sites) links were of the form: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XXXXXXXX http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XXXXXXXX I could be wrong, but the links I've found so far all have 8 characters. Notice it's a somewhat easily searchable space. You can enumerate all links starting from point1 to point2 (I think they assigned sequential numbers so no need to search the entire space). Hence the slew of public MegaUpload-search websites that you could go to and search for every file in the index. The point of the response was that if you needed private backups of your Amazon MP3 you should use a service that is a true lockerbox, and not a pseudo sharing site thats designed for sharing content. Otherwise, you need to take the blame for 1) losing access to your backups, and 2) knowingly sharing it even if you did not give the link out. A lockerbox service that requires some authentication, or a very large GUID type link that can't be enumerated. MegaUpload was designed for sharing. The case of someone losing their legitimate Amazon MP3 upload is an edge-case that inconveniences one person, but takes down the sharing of hundreds, or thousands, of copies of illegitimate copies.
      - anamax 15y ago
        > I could be wrong, but the links I've found so far all have 8 characters. And all US phone numbers have 7 digits. (It's easy enough to figure out the relevant area code.) Are you claiming that there are no private phone numbers in the US?
        powertower 15y ago
        You are grasping at unrelated analogies and contexts.
        anamax 15y ago
        > You are grasping at unrelated analogies and contexts. You're claiming that 8 character ids are inherently public. Why is the "publicness" of 7 numeral ids an unrelated analogy? After all, the universe of 7 numeral ids is significantly smaller than the set of 8 character ids, so if the former is private (by obscurity) then surely the latter is as well, absent some other factor. So, what are some of these other factors?
      - lwat 15y ago
        So you're arguing that MU was illegal because their file IDs are too short? What the fuck.
      - Natsu 15y ago
        Eight characters is about the length of an ordinary password. Exactly how far does blame extend, then? I've seen more than a few people who honestly believe that keeping a URL secret somehow protects the content. I can understand if you're mad about copyright infringement, but why does that person who recorded all of their child's sports matches deserve this merely for using MU? They were sharing their own movies with the rest of the team, true, but that's all the more reason to use a site like that in the first place.
        powertower 15y ago
        All my premises have been that 1) MU was one of the top piracy sites on the net, 2) profited from piracy, and 3) was designed for spreading piracy. Instead of edge-cases, how about a common one? Or does that not count? So yes, if any of the above is true, what happened to MU was good. And as far as that loaded question about the person losing his child's sports matches... You can frame it however you want, it does not change the facts we know about MU. MU was most likely a criminal enterprise.

anamax 15y ago

> Then you should use a service that: > 1) Does not provide unauthenticated access or public links for anyone to use to your backed-up MP3s from Amazon. UberUpload does not provide public links for "anyone to use your backed-up MP3s". It provides links so material can be accessed but those links aren't public unless I make them so. (Obama's direct phone number is private even though we know its format. The same principle applies here.)

powertower 15y ago
Are we talking about MegaUpload or UberUpload? They seem to be quite different.
- Natsu 15y ago
  MegaUpload links were not public unless the uploader published them somewhere.
  - powertower 15y ago
    > MegaUpload links were not public unless the uploader published them somewhere. They were publically accessible (as in no authentication was required) regardless of how you want to spin it. But if that's not good enough for you... It's my understanding that megaupload (and it's other sites) links were of the form: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XXXXXXXX http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XXXXXXXX I could be wrong, but the links I've found so far all have 8 characters. Notice it's a somewhat easily searchable space. You can enumerate all links starting from point1 to point2 (I think they assigned sequential numbers so no need to search the entire space). Hence the slew of public MegaUpload-search websites that you could go to and search for every file in the index. The point of the response was that if you needed private backups of your Amazon MP3 you should use a service that is a true lockerbox, and not a pseudo sharing site thats designed for sharing content. Otherwise, you need to take the blame for 1) losing access to your backups, and 2) knowingly sharing it even if you did not give the link out. A lockerbox service that requires some authentication, or a very large GUID type link that can't be enumerated. MegaUpload was designed for sharing. The case of someone losing their legitimate Amazon MP3 upload is an edge-case that inconveniences one person, but takes down the sharing of hundreds, or thousands, of copies of illegitimate copies.
    - anamax 15y ago
      > I could be wrong, but the links I've found so far all have 8 characters. And all US phone numbers have 7 digits. (It's easy enough to figure out the relevant area code.) Are you claiming that there are no private phone numbers in the US?
      - powertower 15y ago
        You are grasping at unrelated analogies and contexts.
        anamax 15y ago
        > You are grasping at unrelated analogies and contexts. You're claiming that 8 character ids are inherently public. Why is the "publicness" of 7 numeral ids an unrelated analogy? After all, the universe of 7 numeral ids is significantly smaller than the set of 8 character ids, so if the former is private (by obscurity) then surely the latter is as well, absent some other factor. So, what are some of these other factors?
    - lwat 15y ago
      So you're arguing that MU was illegal because their file IDs are too short? What the fuck.
    - Natsu 15y ago
      Eight characters is about the length of an ordinary password. Exactly how far does blame extend, then? I've seen more than a few people who honestly believe that keeping a URL secret somehow protects the content. I can understand if you're mad about copyright infringement, but why does that person who recorded all of their child's sports matches deserve this merely for using MU? They were sharing their own movies with the rest of the team, true, but that's all the more reason to use a site like that in the first place.
      - powertower 15y ago
        All my premises have been that 1) MU was one of the top piracy sites on the net, 2) profited from piracy, and 3) was designed for spreading piracy. Instead of edge-cases, how about a common one? Or does that not count? So yes, if any of the above is true, what happened to MU was good. And as far as that loaded question about the person losing his child's sports matches... You can frame it however you want, it does not change the facts we know about MU. MU was most likely a criminal enterprise.