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What makes you so sure we are capable of it? Gut feeling? How do you reason, exactly? This answer is worth billions so why not enlighten us. You don’t know? Bu

What makes you so sure we are capable of it? Gut feeling? How do you reason, exactly? This answer is worth billions so why not enlighten us. You don’t know? But you feel you have “it”, this magical substance, this substrate of reason itself? Reasoning is build out of what, exactly? Sorry to be that guy, but I fail to see more than word play.

mjburgess 4y ago
What makes you so sure diluting things doesn't make them stronger? I mean, you don't know any physics, chemistry or biology -- but it's just word play right? I mean, there isnt anything called science we might used to study stuff. You can't actually study any intelligent things empirically: what would you study? Like animals, and people and things? That would be mad. No no, it's all just word play. And you know it's wordplay because you've taken the time to study the philosophy of mind, cognitive science, empirical psychology, neuroscience, biology, zoology and anthropology. And you've really come to a solid conclusion here: yes, of course, the latest trinket from silicon valley really is all we need to know about intelligence. That's how the scientific method works, right? Sillicon Valley releases a gimmik and we print that in Nature and all go home. It turns out what Kant was missing was some VC funding -- no need to write the critique of pure reason.
- pixl97 4y ago
  >What makes you so sure diluting things doesn't make them stronger Alcohol diluted with around 30% water makes it 'stronger' at killing bacteria... I mean it's easy to say "just science that shit", and then forget we've been spending decades and billions of dollars doing just that.
- SanderNL 4y ago
  Let’s all see and be amazed by the absolutely breathtaking achievements of those fields in the domain of AI…
YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
The thing is that we've known how to do reasoning with computers since the 1960's at least. Here: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/321250.321253 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/321250.321253 That's the paper introducing the Resolution principle, which is a sound and complete system of deductive inference, with a single inference rule simple enough that a computer can run it. The paper is from 1965. AI research had reasoning down pat since the 1970's at least. Modern systems have made progress in modelling and prediction, but lost the ability to reason in the progress. Yeah, we totally "scienced that shit" as you say in a comment below. And then there was an AI winter and we threw the science out because there wasn't funding for it. And now we got language models that can't do reasoning because all the funding comes from big tech corps that don't give a shit about sciencing anything but their bottom line.
krainboltgreene 4y ago
> What makes you so sure we are capable of it? Gut feeling? How do you reason, exactly? It never fails: When faced with the reality of what the program is your average tech bro will immediately fall back to trying to play their hand at being a neuroscientist, psychologist, and philosopher all at once.
- SanderNL 4y ago
  You did not answer a single thing and maybe I am those things. You don’t know me.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    Are you any of those things?

mjburgess 4y ago

What makes you so sure diluting things doesn't make them stronger? I mean, you don't know any physics, chemistry or biology -- but it's just word play right? I mean, there isnt anything called science we might used to study stuff. You can't actually study any intelligent things empirically: what would you study? Like animals, and people and things? That would be mad. No no, it's all just word play. And you know it's wordplay because you've taken the time to study the philosophy of mind, cognitive science, empirical psychology, neuroscience, biology, zoology and anthropology. And you've really come to a solid conclusion here: yes, of course, the latest trinket from silicon valley really is all we need to know about intelligence. That's how the scientific method works, right? Sillicon Valley releases a gimmik and we print that in Nature and all go home. It turns out what Kant was missing was some VC funding -- no need to write the critique of pure reason.

pixl97 4y ago
>What makes you so sure diluting things doesn't make them stronger Alcohol diluted with around 30% water makes it 'stronger' at killing bacteria... I mean it's easy to say "just science that shit", and then forget we've been spending decades and billions of dollars doing just that.
SanderNL 4y ago
Let’s all see and be amazed by the absolutely breathtaking achievements of those fields in the domain of AI…

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago

The thing is that we've known how to do reasoning with computers since the 1960's at least. Here: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/321250.321253 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/321250.321253 That's the paper introducing the Resolution principle, which is a sound and complete system of deductive inference, with a single inference rule simple enough that a computer can run it. The paper is from 1965. AI research had reasoning down pat since the 1970's at least. Modern systems have made progress in modelling and prediction, but lost the ability to reason in the progress. Yeah, we totally "scienced that shit" as you say in a comment below. And then there was an AI winter and we threw the science out because there wasn't funding for it. And now we got language models that can't do reasoning because all the funding comes from big tech corps that don't give a shit about sciencing anything but their bottom line.

krainboltgreene 4y ago

> What makes you so sure we are capable of it? Gut feeling? How do you reason, exactly? It never fails: When faced with the reality of what the program is your average tech bro will immediately fall back to trying to play their hand at being a neuroscientist, psychologist, and philosopher all at once.

SanderNL 4y ago
You did not answer a single thing and maybe I am those things. You don’t know me.
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  Are you any of those things?