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That would just be tit-for-tat market restrictions. From a third party point of view, the whole situation is hilarious. Especially seeing the USA trying to argu

That would just be tit-for-tat market restrictions. From a third party point of view, the whole situation is hilarious. Especially seeing the USA trying to argue Chinese products are a significant risk regarding spying after Snowden.

ethbr0 4y ago
This gets tossed out, but didn't Snowden literally prove they weren't the same? In that the NSA had to tap backhaul links because they couldn't simply order Google to turn over Gmail data. And was trawling internet traffic flows because it couldn't get the data it wanted from the providers themselves. If you have an easy button... you use it. You don't accomplish secret and expensive engineering miracles just for the hell of it. Especially not with government budgets.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  No, it didn’t, no idea where you dreamed that. Snowden showed that all American companies were in bed with the US government when it came to spying on foreigners.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Details on "Snowden showed that all American companies were in bed with the US government when it came to spying on foreigners"? Because that wasn't in the records I read.
    - cassianoleal 4y ago
      I imagine GP is talking about PRISM: PRISM is a code name for a program under which the United States National Security Agency (NSA) collects internet communications from various U.S. internet companies. The program is also known by the SIGAD US-984XN. PRISM collects stored internet communications based on demands made to internet companies such as Google LLC under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 to turn over any data that match court-approved search terms. Among other things, the NSA can use these PRISM requests to target communications that were encrypted when they traveled across the internet backbone, to focus on stored data that telecommunication filtering systems discarded earlier, and to get data that is easier to handle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

ethbr0 4y ago

This gets tossed out, but didn't Snowden literally prove they weren't the same? In that the NSA had to tap backhaul links because they couldn't simply order Google to turn over Gmail data. And was trawling internet traffic flows because it couldn't get the data it wanted from the providers themselves. If you have an easy button... you use it. You don't accomplish secret and expensive engineering miracles just for the hell of it. Especially not with government budgets.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
No, it didn’t, no idea where you dreamed that. Snowden showed that all American companies were in bed with the US government when it came to spying on foreigners.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Details on "Snowden showed that all American companies were in bed with the US government when it came to spying on foreigners"? Because that wasn't in the records I read.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    I imagine GP is talking about PRISM: PRISM is a code name for a program under which the United States National Security Agency (NSA) collects internet communications from various U.S. internet companies. The program is also known by the SIGAD US-984XN. PRISM collects stored internet communications based on demands made to internet companies such as Google LLC under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 to turn over any data that match court-approved search terms. Among other things, the NSA can use these PRISM requests to target communications that were encrypted when they traveled across the internet backbone, to focus on stored data that telecommunication filtering systems discarded earlier, and to get data that is easier to handle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM