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> There's more to being a "woman" than having female reproductive organs. What is it then ? Edit: I'm sorry, i realise that this is a troll-leading question,

> There's more to being a "woman" than having female reproductive organs. What is it then ? Edit: I'm sorry, i realise that this is a troll-leading question, that ensures no good answer, because we can't give a good answer that doesn't offend someone. It shows that we're as a group intentionally ignoring basic reality, which is a shame but it is what it is.

gcanyon 4y ago
It seems fairly obvious. I'm not an expert, but: If a person has longer hair, no facial hair, is wearing a dress, has a higher voice, wider hips, and the appearance of breasts, I'd assume they are a woman. BUT: if a person with all of those traits says they're a man, I'm going to nod, file it away for future reference, and -- most importantly -- move on with my day. And likewise, if a person with none of those traits tells me they are a woman, again, I will nod, remember it, and move on. It's not hard.
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  I didn't ask what makes you believe/accept someone is a woman, anyone can accept anothers perspetive.
  - gcanyon 4y ago
    If that's not what you're asking for, then it seems you're asking for a flowchart that determine's someone's gender. Gender being a social construct (as opposed to sex) there is no decisive flowchart other than: ask them; accept the answer. If you want something generally accurate, I stand behind what I said above.
    - worthless-trash 4y ago
      Cool, as long as we're saying that 'woman' is a mindset and not a set of verifiable attributes. Does everyone take "woman" as this meaning though, or is this the root of the confusion that everyone has ?
      - gcanyon 4y ago
        "mindset" is actually a pretty reasonable descriptor I think (I'm not an expert though). I think a lot of the confusion does come from people having a hard time separating "what does this person want me to call them" from "how do I treat this person". I think (again, I speak only for myself, and I'm not even trans) most trans people would be happy to be called their chosen pronouns and treated in a neutral way. There is a lot of history backing up a more constrained interpretation of gender and interpersonal relationships, and the present situation is definitely outside many people's comfort zone.
    - ungamedplayer 4y ago
      Ah, long as we're clear on the fact that they are two different things. I'm good with that.

gcanyon 4y ago

It seems fairly obvious. I'm not an expert, but: If a person has longer hair, no facial hair, is wearing a dress, has a higher voice, wider hips, and the appearance of breasts, I'd assume they are a woman. BUT: if a person with all of those traits says they're a man, I'm going to nod, file it away for future reference, and -- most importantly -- move on with my day. And likewise, if a person with none of those traits tells me they are a woman, again, I will nod, remember it, and move on. It's not hard.

worthless-trash 4y ago
I didn't ask what makes you believe/accept someone is a woman, anyone can accept anothers perspetive.
- gcanyon 4y ago
  If that's not what you're asking for, then it seems you're asking for a flowchart that determine's someone's gender. Gender being a social construct (as opposed to sex) there is no decisive flowchart other than: ask them; accept the answer. If you want something generally accurate, I stand behind what I said above.
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    Cool, as long as we're saying that 'woman' is a mindset and not a set of verifiable attributes. Does everyone take "woman" as this meaning though, or is this the root of the confusion that everyone has ?
    - gcanyon 4y ago
      "mindset" is actually a pretty reasonable descriptor I think (I'm not an expert though). I think a lot of the confusion does come from people having a hard time separating "what does this person want me to call them" from "how do I treat this person". I think (again, I speak only for myself, and I'm not even trans) most trans people would be happy to be called their chosen pronouns and treated in a neutral way. There is a lot of history backing up a more constrained interpretation of gender and interpersonal relationships, and the present situation is definitely outside many people's comfort zone.
  - ungamedplayer 4y ago
    Ah, long as we're clear on the fact that they are two different things. I'm good with that.