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Rubio: “Capitalism Didn't Change China–China Changed Capitalism”
- BMc2020 4y agoChina did get rich. They most certainly got rich, but they didn't use that money to buy our products. They used that money to buy the products that are made in China. And they didn't become a democracy either. Now you have a rich Chinese Communist Party that has tightened its grip on the country.
- senttoschool 4y agoAh yes. China actually buys a ton of US products and services. But I think what Rubio is stating here is that China is moving up the value chain. Rubio thinks China needs to stay as America's cheap labor. China should not be allowed to compete in advanced products and services, the bread and butter of America's economy.
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- verdverm 4y agoI think it's more that the West does not want a strong, unchecked, communist opponent. The CCP doesn't play fair or by the same rules. Why should we let them keep taking advantage of us?
- senttoschool 4y agoI'm sorry, but does the US play by fair or by the same rules? And who checks the US?
- verdverm 4y agoThe West is more than one country. Look at the allies who are a part of it. Who are the CCP's allies? Why is one set of allies much larger? Would you prefer a world dominated by the ideas of the West or CCP?
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- verdverm 4y agoWest vs CCP is liberal democracy vs authoritarianism. CCP could be equally replaced by USSR, and to a lesser extent Russia, Iran, or North Korea, among many others Don't use whataboutism or play the race card because you don't have an actual retort
- senttoschool 4y agoWe, in West have a tendency to judge other countries by our standards - but those standards changed over our history and are also based on the resources & limitations of our countries. Is it really fair to judge a country that has been trying for less than 50 years to bring up the standard of living of their 1.5 billion people to a country with only 300 million people and which has had 300 years to get to its current standard of living? I'm not making excuses for China's repression of various minorities in their country - but perhaps we should look a bit more at our own history before casting stones. E.g. China's repression of the Uyghurs is but child's play compared to what the US did to the native Americans or the West's use of slavery to benefit their countries. China has nearly accomplished in 50 years, what took those countries centuries. It raised more people out of abject poverty than the entire populations of the US and Europe combined. Yes, the country has human rights issues and we don't like its non-democratic system of government. But there's no denying its success either. And what country is without problems? We chastise the Chinese for their treatment of the Uyghurs - yet here at home in the US, we allow 20,000+ of our citizens to be killed by guns every year. We lost 2 million+ people to Covid because our leaders thought that drinking bleach will cure it. Our children need armed teachers because they're afraid of the next mass shooting. China has none of those issues. Their children are safe in schools and nobody dies in mass shootings; despite being a 5 times bigger country, they had 1/10th people die from covid. Mass transit and telecom technology in China far outclasses the decrepit systems we have in this country. Medicine & medical treatment is far cheaper there than here. Literacy and educational levels are much higher.....and, finally, let's speak of the military threat. The US has bombed 1/3 of the world's population. China has not. Lots of talk by US military haws about how China is accelerating military spending. But if you look at any data, it shows the US still outspending China by 4 to 1.
- mytailorisrich 4y agoThe West does not want any opponents. Of course they don't. The 'communists', 'not a democracy' angles are just for public consumption. The rules are set by the dominant power. So when they complain about China not playing fair or by the rules what they really mean is that they don't like that a country becomes strong enough to set their own rules according to their own interests
- senttoschool 4y agoCorrect interpretation. I don't really have a problem with what the US is doing or trying to do. What I can't stand is that people actually think this is good (USA) vs evil (China).
- foldr 4y agoOf course the West wouldn't welcome economic competition from China even if it were a flourishing democracy. Still, let's not lose sight of the fact that there are real moral differences between the US and China. Note, for example, that you can say whatever you like about the US on this board, and the worst that will happen to you is that some people downvote or flag your comment.
- Ekaros 4y agoI do not see China murdering people around the globe with drone strikes. And then not punishing everyone involved with death penalty. To me it is very clear which is evil and has evil population which keeps supporting these actions even if they still have some tools to fight against them.
- foldr 4y agoChina has the death penalty, and executes vastly more people per year than the US (~800 vs a handful). You can (and should) protest certain aspects of US foreign and military policy within the US. There is far less latitude for internal criticism within China. Just try bringing up e.g. the Uyghur genocide and see how far you get.
- hhthrowaway1230 4y agoCapitalism. You're holding it wrong.
- RobotToaster 4y agoBy that, he means they've disrupted atlanticist unipolarity.
- BMc2020 4y agoAtlanticism is a belief in the necessity of cooperation between North America and Europe. I'm a bot beep-boop