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No, because there is no such thing as "everyone complaining". Those are different user groups. Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. Wh

by theamk 4y ago

No, because there is no such thing as "everyone complaining". Those are different user groups. Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. When we looked at it, it was hilariously slow and had basically no advantage over any other commercial registry. There was no reason to give our company dollars to Docker instead of Amazon or Google. Docker Hub is pretty important to open-source projects, as there are very few providers who are ready to distribute large binary files for free without ads or even possibility of them. It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. It's the former users who bring money to Docker, and it were latter users who were complaining. There is definitely some overlap but unfortunately (for Docker the company) it is not that big.

seanhunter 4y ago
Yes and the fact that they don't see the difference between the user groups is symptomatic of the problems that have blighted their attempts to find a workable business model. They offer little to no value to the people who can (and will) pay for things and a lot of value to people who can only structurally "afford" a free service. In that world charging is never going to yield success. The free-only users are going to find some alternative and in forcing them to do so you have sacrificed the goodwill from the free service in the first place, and the people who could pay won't do so in this case because you literally aren't offering them anything worth paying for.
justeleblanc 4y ago
> Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects Should I add anything? If you can't make your point without such glaring contradictions, I don't know if the point is worth making.
- chownie 4y ago
  The contradictions go away a bit when you relent from strawmanning, that second quote is half of a statement which doesn't say what you've clipped it to say. The guidelines of the site specifically say to respond to the strongest argument, I'd recommend doing that instead of what you're doing.
  - justeleblanc 4y ago
    How can I be making a strawman? I'm directly quoting what you wrote. Here, I can quote the whole sentence (I omitted the second half for brevity): > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses", but it it's "pretty important for tech companies who use [OSS] projects" but lack resources to not rely on docker hub. I still see the contradiction. Spare me the reference to the site guidelines. You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that.
    - kaashif 4y ago
      > So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses" That's not what was said, you missed out the word "most", which changes the meaning of the quote: > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses It can simultaneously be true that: * Docker Hub has little to offer most businesses * Docker Hub is valuable to businesses that don't have the resources to set up a private registry. These can both be true if only a minority of businesses fall into the second category. I don't think that's exactly true (we'd need to weight businesses by revenue or number of employees for it to maybe be true), but their comment isn't self contradictory.
    - chownie 4y ago
      > I'm directly quoting what you wrote. > You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that. I'm not the person you were originally replying to.

by theamk 4y ago

seanhunter 4y ago

Yes and the fact that they don't see the difference between the user groups is symptomatic of the problems that have blighted their attempts to find a workable business model. They offer little to no value to the people who can (and will) pay for things and a lot of value to people who can only structurally "afford" a free service. In that world charging is never going to yield success. The free-only users are going to find some alternative and in forcing them to do so you have sacrificed the goodwill from the free service in the first place, and the people who could pay won't do so in this case because you literally aren't offering them anything worth paying for.

justeleblanc 4y ago

> Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects Should I add anything? If you can't make your point without such glaring contradictions, I don't know if the point is worth making.

chownie 4y ago
The contradictions go away a bit when you relent from strawmanning, that second quote is half of a statement which doesn't say what you've clipped it to say. The guidelines of the site specifically say to respond to the strongest argument, I'd recommend doing that instead of what you're doing.
- justeleblanc 4y ago
  How can I be making a strawman? I'm directly quoting what you wrote. Here, I can quote the whole sentence (I omitted the second half for brevity): > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses", but it it's "pretty important for tech companies who use [OSS] projects" but lack resources to not rely on docker hub. I still see the contradiction. Spare me the reference to the site guidelines. You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that.
  - kaashif 4y ago
    > So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses" That's not what was said, you missed out the word "most", which changes the meaning of the quote: > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses It can simultaneously be true that: * Docker Hub has little to offer most businesses * Docker Hub is valuable to businesses that don't have the resources to set up a private registry. These can both be true if only a minority of businesses fall into the second category. I don't think that's exactly true (we'd need to weight businesses by revenue or number of employees for it to maybe be true), but their comment isn't self contradictory.
  - chownie 4y ago
    > I'm directly quoting what you wrote. > You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that. I'm not the person you were originally replying to.