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>Another part of the Ukraine conflict that is strangely absent is that Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014 when a CIA backed coup toppled their governmen
by peppermint_gum 4y ago
>Another part of the Ukraine conflict that is strangely absent is that Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014 when a CIA backed coup toppled their government. It is always presented as if one day for no reason Putin invaded a peaceful Ukraine.
This is one of the most annoying tankie talking points. Maidan? Duh, obviously it was a CIA coup. There's no need to prove it, everyone knows that only anti-western uprisings can be genuine.
OTOH, when Russia sent their soldiers to Crimea and Donbas, it clearly was a show of the local people's will. Also, it's better not to mention that the separatist movement didn't exist before 2014 and then they suddenly were organized enough to wage a full-scale war.
- barbacoa 4y agoThe USA government absolutely had a hand in the Maidan revolution. There was even a leaked phone call where state department officials discuss who to pick for the new government.
- peppermint_gum 4y agoAll that leaked phone call between Nuland and Pyatt shows is that the US most likely participated in the (failed) negotiations for a new government with Yanukovych as the president and a opposition candidate as the prime minister. It isn't, however, a proof that the US somehow caused the protests to happen. How would that even work? On the other hand, there's a mountain of evidence for Russian military involvement in 2014, including Putin himself admitting that.