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Docker Hub has little to offer, and yet everyone was up in arms when what little they offered for free gets taken away. Don't you see the contradiction here?

brookst 4y ago
“The food at this restaurant is terrible!” “Yeah, and such small portions too!”
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  Nobody goes to that place anymore, it’s always far too busy!
- justeleblanc 4y ago
  If that was really what was happening, then nobody would be upset if they started charging more. People would just stop going there.
  - brookst 4y ago
    It’s a famous old joke, about how people just want to complain. The joke is that these are probably repeat visitors who make the same complaints every time. It’s bad, and we want more.
    - justeleblanc 4y ago
      Gotcha. Not anglophone here, I don't know all the inside jokes yet!
theamk 4y ago
No, because there is no such thing as "everyone complaining". Those are different user groups. Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. When we looked at it, it was hilariously slow and had basically no advantage over any other commercial registry. There was no reason to give our company dollars to Docker instead of Amazon or Google. Docker Hub is pretty important to open-source projects, as there are very few providers who are ready to distribute large binary files for free without ads or even possibility of them. It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. It's the former users who bring money to Docker, and it were latter users who were complaining. There is definitely some overlap but unfortunately (for Docker the company) it is not that big.
- seanhunter 4y ago
  Yes and the fact that they don't see the difference between the user groups is symptomatic of the problems that have blighted their attempts to find a workable business model. They offer little to no value to the people who can (and will) pay for things and a lot of value to people who can only structurally "afford" a free service. In that world charging is never going to yield success. The free-only users are going to find some alternative and in forcing them to do so you have sacrificed the goodwill from the free service in the first place, and the people who could pay won't do so in this case because you literally aren't offering them anything worth paying for.
- justeleblanc 4y ago
  > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects Should I add anything? If you can't make your point without such glaring contradictions, I don't know if the point is worth making.
  - chownie 4y ago
    The contradictions go away a bit when you relent from strawmanning, that second quote is half of a statement which doesn't say what you've clipped it to say. The guidelines of the site specifically say to respond to the strongest argument, I'd recommend doing that instead of what you're doing.
    - justeleblanc 4y ago
      How can I be making a strawman? I'm directly quoting what you wrote. Here, I can quote the whole sentence (I omitted the second half for brevity): > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses", but it it's "pretty important for tech companies who use [OSS] projects" but lack resources to not rely on docker hub. I still see the contradiction. Spare me the reference to the site guidelines. You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that.
theptip 4y ago
It has little to offer for paid users. It’s a great place to host your open-source images (you know; the community work that caused Docker to be so popular in the first place). Forced to pay or leave, the OSS folks will all leave.
yencabulator 4y ago
The only value Docker Hub offers is that Docker refuses to make Docker consume non-Docker Hub image sources conveniently. Remove Docker vendor lock-in and what you are left with is: Docker Hub offers the value of being able to serve static files over HTTPS.

brookst 4y ago

“The food at this restaurant is terrible!” “Yeah, and such small portions too!”

tinus_hn 4y ago
Nobody goes to that place anymore, it’s always far too busy!
justeleblanc 4y ago
If that was really what was happening, then nobody would be upset if they started charging more. People would just stop going there.
- brookst 4y ago
  It’s a famous old joke, about how people just want to complain. The joke is that these are probably repeat visitors who make the same complaints every time. It’s bad, and we want more.
  - justeleblanc 4y ago
    Gotcha. Not anglophone here, I don't know all the inside jokes yet!

theamk 4y ago

No, because there is no such thing as "everyone complaining". Those are different user groups. Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. When we looked at it, it was hilariously slow and had basically no advantage over any other commercial registry. There was no reason to give our company dollars to Docker instead of Amazon or Google. Docker Hub is pretty important to open-source projects, as there are very few providers who are ready to distribute large binary files for free without ads or even possibility of them. It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. It's the former users who bring money to Docker, and it were latter users who were complaining. There is definitely some overlap but unfortunately (for Docker the company) it is not that big.

seanhunter 4y ago
Yes and the fact that they don't see the difference between the user groups is symptomatic of the problems that have blighted their attempts to find a workable business model. They offer little to no value to the people who can (and will) pay for things and a lot of value to people who can only structurally "afford" a free service. In that world charging is never going to yield success. The free-only users are going to find some alternative and in forcing them to do so you have sacrificed the goodwill from the free service in the first place, and the people who could pay won't do so in this case because you literally aren't offering them anything worth paying for.
justeleblanc 4y ago
> Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects Should I add anything? If you can't make your point without such glaring contradictions, I don't know if the point is worth making.
- chownie 4y ago
  The contradictions go away a bit when you relent from strawmanning, that second quote is half of a statement which doesn't say what you've clipped it to say. The guidelines of the site specifically say to respond to the strongest argument, I'd recommend doing that instead of what you're doing.
  - justeleblanc 4y ago
    How can I be making a strawman? I'm directly quoting what you wrote. Here, I can quote the whole sentence (I omitted the second half for brevity): > Docker Hub has little to offer to most commercial businesses. > It was also pretty important to tech companies who use said projects but lack the resources to set up private registry and build docker images they need. So, docker has, at the same time, "little to offer to commercial businesses", but it it's "pretty important for tech companies who use [OSS] projects" but lack resources to not rely on docker hub. I still see the contradiction. Spare me the reference to the site guidelines. You piggybacked off my comment and made an unrelated point (docker hub is too slow for your business - how is that relevant to my initial comment?). Kettle, pot, all that.

theptip 4y ago

It has little to offer for paid users. It’s a great place to host your open-source images (you know; the community work that caused Docker to be so popular in the first place). Forced to pay or leave, the OSS folks will all leave.

yencabulator 4y ago

The only value Docker Hub offers is that Docker refuses to make Docker consume non-Docker Hub image sources conveniently. Remove Docker vendor lock-in and what you are left with is: Docker Hub offers the value of being able to serve static files over HTTPS.