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I am from BC and the Sunday no shopping was a bit before my time but my dad talks about how stupid it was. If you had a problem and needed something in an emerg

by 14 4y ago

I am from BC and the Sunday no shopping was a bit before my time but my dad talks about how stupid it was. If you had a problem and needed something in an emergency well too bad. Didn’t realize you were low on bread and forgot to get it Saturday oh well kids are not getting a sandwich in their lunches for Monday morning school. Like you say eventually people realized the fines were actually just the cost of doing business. Those who opened up sundays made a killing because that is what the people wanted. I know a guy who did the same for opening a marijuana shop. Did it just before it was legal and was getting a $150 fine each day from the city. He said just a cost of business as he was making several thousand or more each day.

scoot 4y ago
> Didn’t realize you were low on bread and forgot to get it Saturday oh well kids are not getting a sandwich in their lunches for Monday morning school. Probably not the best example, because it's not like a sandwich is the only lunch option (the lazy one for sure), but I take your point. Migraine and no painkillers, period and no pads, sex and no condom, alcoholic and no alcohol (with risk of lethal DTs)? Too bad...
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  The logic you use to dismiss the sandwich example extrapolates to your own examples. "Shut off the lights and go to bed or go to the ER" "Stuff a cloth in your underwear" "Don't have sex" "Don't you have any sterno or mouthwash?!" Why even do this to someone if you understood their meaning and more or less agree?
  - scoot 4y ago
    So your argument is that no shopping is an inconvenience, not an imposition? I ask because you did the same thing you're arguing against, and yet failed to provide any counter examples.
    - libraryatnight 4y ago
      I have no argument other than your comment was silly and pointless. This is you realizing that without realizing that.
      - scoot 4y ago
        In which case, so is yours <shrug>.
jodrellblank 4y ago
I take it your dad want a low wage retail employee working Sundays? Not sacrificing everything to the grass good consumerism isn’t “stupid”. > “Didn’t realize you were low on bread and forgot to get it Saturday oh well kids are not getting a sandwich in their lunches for Monday morning school.” It is possible to make bread. And to eat other things. And to buy school lunches. And to borrow or trade food with neighbours.
- bobsmooth 4y ago
  > I take it your dad want a low wage retail employee working Sundays? Is the low wages of retail workers less bad on the other days of the week?
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    High wage employees have leverage, and can afford to quit. They are less pushed into the position "we're allowed to open on Sunday so you're working Sundays now".
- ncallaway 4y ago
  What makes Sunday so special? Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking, rather than dictating a magical day that nobody can work. It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sense if your worker protection laws are too weak.
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    > "Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking" Provide your own answer here: why did the system which exists to exploit humans for profit do away with a free day instead of "just" passing worker protection laws? (Why did you frame it as "prevent people from overworking" instead of "prevent people from being overworked"?) > "It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sense if your worker protection laws are too weak." Humans exist for more than just buying things. You may not like "A Sabbath for God" but "A day for something in life other than shopping" is an important idea. When September 11th 2001 terrorist attacks happened - great big terrorist attacks on American soil for pretty much the first time - President George Bush told Americans to "go shopping" in response. When many American teenagers grew up, they hung out at a shopping mall. Are you not lamenting the increasing feeling that you can't go out in public without being charged to be somewhere these days? Or the gradual turning of all walks of life into advertising and subscription services? Is any pushback on it "stupid and dumb" to you?
ipcress_file 4y ago
Oh. There were a small number of corner stores that were allowed to be open. I don't know how they decided that. But you could always get the basics on a Sunday. Gas stations were also allowed to be open although they rarely had convenience stores attached to them back then.

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scoot 4y ago

> Didn’t realize you were low on bread and forgot to get it Saturday oh well kids are not getting a sandwich in their lunches for Monday morning school. Probably not the best example, because it's not like a sandwich is the only lunch option (the lazy one for sure), but I take your point. Migraine and no painkillers, period and no pads, sex and no condom, alcoholic and no alcohol (with risk of lethal DTs)? Too bad...

libraryatnight 4y ago
The logic you use to dismiss the sandwich example extrapolates to your own examples. "Shut off the lights and go to bed or go to the ER" "Stuff a cloth in your underwear" "Don't have sex" "Don't you have any sterno or mouthwash?!" Why even do this to someone if you understood their meaning and more or less agree?
- scoot 4y ago
  So your argument is that no shopping is an inconvenience, not an imposition? I ask because you did the same thing you're arguing against, and yet failed to provide any counter examples.
  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    I have no argument other than your comment was silly and pointless. This is you realizing that without realizing that.
    - scoot 4y ago
      In which case, so is yours <shrug>.

jodrellblank 4y ago

I take it your dad want a low wage retail employee working Sundays? Not sacrificing everything to the grass good consumerism isn’t “stupid”. > “Didn’t realize you were low on bread and forgot to get it Saturday oh well kids are not getting a sandwich in their lunches for Monday morning school.” It is possible to make bread. And to eat other things. And to buy school lunches. And to borrow or trade food with neighbours.

bobsmooth 4y ago
> I take it your dad want a low wage retail employee working Sundays? Is the low wages of retail workers less bad on the other days of the week?
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  High wage employees have leverage, and can afford to quit. They are less pushed into the position "we're allowed to open on Sunday so you're working Sundays now".
ncallaway 4y ago
What makes Sunday so special? Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking, rather than dictating a magical day that nobody can work. It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sense if your worker protection laws are too weak.
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  > "Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking" Provide your own answer here: why did the system which exists to exploit humans for profit do away with a free day instead of "just" passing worker protection laws? (Why did you frame it as "prevent people from overworking" instead of "prevent people from being overworked"?) > "It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sense if your worker protection laws are too weak." Humans exist for more than just buying things. You may not like "A Sabbath for God" but "A day for something in life other than shopping" is an important idea. When September 11th 2001 terrorist attacks happened - great big terrorist attacks on American soil for pretty much the first time - President George Bush told Americans to "go shopping" in response. When many American teenagers grew up, they hung out at a shopping mall. Are you not lamenting the increasing feeling that you can't go out in public without being charged to be somewhere these days? Or the gradual turning of all walks of life into advertising and subscription services? Is any pushback on it "stupid and dumb" to you?

ipcress_file 4y ago

Oh. There were a small number of corner stores that were allowed to be open. I don't know how they decided that. But you could always get the basics on a Sunday. Gas stations were also allowed to be open although they rarely had convenience stores attached to them back then.