>>it will be the PMs IMO PM's are the clueless bunch of the whole set up. Often they are just making up things as they go and making it right through 'authorit

>>it will be the PMs IMO PM's are the clueless bunch of the whole set up. Often they are just making up things as they go and making it right through 'authority'. PM's remind of me of early days of Sudoku craze when people thought they can put in any numbers in any squares and then later on puzzle would automagically rearrange itself to help them win. Backtracking never clicked for such people. Once you are beyond simple toy apps, and have to build large engineering artifacts in iterations and realise it can't be from scratch in every iteration. The real fun begins.