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Whole point is that Dockerhub dared to ask for money instead of hosting your stuff for free and paying for the bandwidth. The reason why Github is free for nor

Whole point is that Dockerhub dared to ask for money instead of hosting your stuff for free and paying for the bandwidth. The reason why Github is free for normal users it that Microsoft extracts value out of the code you host there, by at least training their LLM. Same will apply for your docker containers. This is part of the Embracing open source. Now they have already started selling Copilot and with CopilotX bringing new AI assisted stuff to code reviews and pull requests even more people will migrate over. This is part of the Extending. Then after they have everyone they can get to use Github and they have extracted all value from your code they will move to the last step and ask you to pay for hosting your stuff and while git is free to use and you can setup your own servers the general UX will be so much better that even hobbyist will pay. This is the Extinguishing

benatkin 4y ago
Or they could make it so if someone pays $30/mo they can get a notification every time someone visits their GitHub. This is a reality for LinkedIn which is also owned by Microsoft. Don't let Microsoft ever get away with saying they respect privacy...
- palata 4y ago
  > Don't let Microsoft ever get away with saying they respect privacy... Don't let any of the Microsoft-sized Big Tech companies ever get away with saying they respect privacy, I would say
zdragnar 4y ago
> The reason why Github is free for normal users GitHub has always been free for normal users, even before MS bought them out. It is a pretty classic loss leader to get developers so comfortable with it in their personal work that they push their employers to pay for organization accounts. Neither your extend nor extinguish meet the classic definition of either. They aren't changing the spec of git. Having a nice UX doesn't count as extinguish. Literally anyone can set up gitea or another git server. They might not get the cool toys like copilot, but that isn't git. This is not EEE, this is watering down EEE to look not nearly as terrible as it actually was back in the day. If anything, it looks like a shill for MS trying to get people to forget what EEE actually was.
palata 4y ago
> Whole point is that Dockerhub dared to ask for money instead of hosting your stuff for free and paying for the bandwidth. I would be fine with that. What I hated it that they gave me 30 days, and not doing anything seemed to result in my images staying on their registry, but out of my control. So that my images would rot there but still be available, and I would have to tell my users that I moved to another registry which is not Docker? What the hell was that?
cookiengineer 4y ago
What are you working on? How would you EEE Microsoft?
fariszr 4y ago
> The reason why Github is free for normal users it that Microsoft extracts value out of the code you host there, by at least training their LLM. Same will apply for your docker containers. This was true when Copilot only used the CODEX model, which was only trained on Github code. But now that, they are using/going to use GPT-4, which you bet includes all code sources possible, GitLab, Codeberg, probably even your private gitea service!, it really doesn't matter anymore, they are going to train on your public code no matter what. The only thing left to stop it is the U.S. Supreme court lawsuit, it will probably decide the Fate of modern generative A.I.

benatkin 4y ago

Or they could make it so if someone pays $30/mo they can get a notification every time someone visits their GitHub. This is a reality for LinkedIn which is also owned by Microsoft. Don't let Microsoft ever get away with saying they respect privacy...

palata 4y ago
> Don't let Microsoft ever get away with saying they respect privacy... Don't let any of the Microsoft-sized Big Tech companies ever get away with saying they respect privacy, I would say

zdragnar 4y ago

> The reason why Github is free for normal users GitHub has always been free for normal users, even before MS bought them out. It is a pretty classic loss leader to get developers so comfortable with it in their personal work that they push their employers to pay for organization accounts. Neither your extend nor extinguish meet the classic definition of either. They aren't changing the spec of git. Having a nice UX doesn't count as extinguish. Literally anyone can set up gitea or another git server. They might not get the cool toys like copilot, but that isn't git. This is not EEE, this is watering down EEE to look not nearly as terrible as it actually was back in the day. If anything, it looks like a shill for MS trying to get people to forget what EEE actually was.

palata 4y ago

> Whole point is that Dockerhub dared to ask for money instead of hosting your stuff for free and paying for the bandwidth. I would be fine with that. What I hated it that they gave me 30 days, and not doing anything seemed to result in my images staying on their registry, but out of my control. So that my images would rot there but still be available, and I would have to tell my users that I moved to another registry which is not Docker? What the hell was that?

cookiengineer 4y ago

What are you working on? How would you EEE Microsoft?

fariszr 4y ago

> The reason why Github is free for normal users it that Microsoft extracts value out of the code you host there, by at least training their LLM. Same will apply for your docker containers. This was true when Copilot only used the CODEX model, which was only trained on Github code. But now that, they are using/going to use GPT-4, which you bet includes all code sources possible, GitLab, Codeberg, probably even your private gitea service!, it really doesn't matter anymore, they are going to train on your public code no matter what. The only thing left to stop it is the U.S. Supreme court lawsuit, it will probably decide the Fate of modern generative A.I.