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> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it

> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

zarzavat 4y ago
That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit. MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia?
- aleph_minus_one 4y ago
  > If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia? There was Google Code, a service that was similar to GitHub. Google Code was closed down on January 15, 2016 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers&oldid=1132401784 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers...).
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market: the closest is Android studio which is just JetBrains.
    - aleph_minus_one 4y ago
      > True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market Google did at least one attempt of creating an IDE (I can not judge from the outside, though, how serious this attempt was): Google Collide YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq12bLbm54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq12bLbm54 (jump to 1:45 to see it in action). Well, Google open-sourced it in 2012 (i.e. shot it down): https://www.wired.com/2012/07/google-open-sources/ https://www.wired.com/2012/07/google-open-sources/ A fork of Google Collide on GitHub (its last commit was from end of 2018, though): https://github.com/WeTheInternet/collide https://github.com/WeTheInternet/collide
    - LordDragonfang 4y ago
      Google actually did build an IDE that they use internally called Cider, but it's so tightly integrated with their weird monolithic VCS that it wouldn't make sense to release it publicly.
- awad 4y ago
  I haven't seriously used Windows in a long time and vaguely remember some rumblings between Vista <> 7 <> 8 but have Microsoft ever really had a trust issue with respect to supporting their software? That's kind of their whole thing isn't it?
michaelt 4y ago
There was certainly skepticism - but it wasn't only about being cancelled. Plenty of it was around questions like "will the latency be good enough?" and "what's with this buy-games-outright-then-also-pay-monthly pricing model?"
serial_dev 4y ago
Maybe I'm moving only in "Google fan boy" circles, but so many of my friends said that Stadia will be a game changer, that I started to think I'm stupid to see what they see because "I'm just not a gamer". Many of my friends and colleagues were so hyped about it that I kept reading about Stadia just to understand what I'm missing. (well, it turns out I didn't miss anything)
ghaff 4y ago
Perhaps broadly. But I was at the Google Next event when I think they announced Stadia and there were some serious gamer stars associated with it.

> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

zarzavat 4y ago

That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit. MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia?

aleph_minus_one 4y ago
> If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia? There was Google Code, a service that was similar to GitHub. Google Code was closed down on January 15, 2016 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers&oldid=1132401784 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers...).
- zarzavat 4y ago
  True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market: the closest is Android studio which is just JetBrains.
  - aleph_minus_one 4y ago
    > True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market Google did at least one attempt of creating an IDE (I can not judge from the outside, though, how serious this attempt was): Google Collide YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq12bLbm54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq12bLbm54 (jump to 1:45 to see it in action). Well, Google open-sourced it in 2012 (i.e. shot it down): https://www.wired.com/2012/07/google-open-sources/ https://www.wired.com/2012/07/google-open-sources/ A fork of Google Collide on GitHub (its last commit was from end of 2018, though): https://github.com/WeTheInternet/collide https://github.com/WeTheInternet/collide
  - LordDragonfang 4y ago
    Google actually did build an IDE that they use internally called Cider, but it's so tightly integrated with their weird monolithic VCS that it wouldn't make sense to release it publicly.
awad 4y ago
I haven't seriously used Windows in a long time and vaguely remember some rumblings between Vista <> 7 <> 8 but have Microsoft ever really had a trust issue with respect to supporting their software? That's kind of their whole thing isn't it?

michaelt 4y ago

There was certainly skepticism - but it wasn't only about being cancelled. Plenty of it was around questions like "will the latency be good enough?" and "what's with this buy-games-outright-then-also-pay-monthly pricing model?"

serial_dev 4y ago

Maybe I'm moving only in "Google fan boy" circles, but so many of my friends said that Stadia will be a game changer, that I started to think I'm stupid to see what they see because "I'm just not a gamer". Many of my friends and colleagues were so hyped about it that I kept reading about Stadia just to understand what I'm missing. (well, it turns out I didn't miss anything)

ghaff 4y ago

Perhaps broadly. But I was at the Google Next event when I think they announced Stadia and there were some serious gamer stars associated with it.