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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard

by in3d 4y ago

Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

VirusNewbie 4y ago
Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  If that’s true, Google is doing themselves a huge PR disservice by exposing the Bard they have exposed instead of something closer to the internal one. Yes, I understand the resources and scaling issue, so (1) Google should recognize that this is literally for all the marbles, and (2) done a slower roll-out with its best foot forward if it needed to rush, while at the same time putting as much money as necessary into assuring it could scale out the good model widely. Google is a trillion+ dollar company, and is facing an existential threat to its core business (because if someone else’s AI is how people interact with the web, the Google’s ads business evaporates with no replacement; if Google is at least competitive on AI, it may still lose its ads business, but it will have something.) Now is not the time to be cheap.
- cushychicken 4y ago
  That’s cool. When are they planning to sunset it? If you tell us that then we know they’re actually planning to release it. :)
  - rvnx 4y ago
    Different people asked Bard about it: https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/1638311005024387072 https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/163831100502438707... or "It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year."
- crakenzak 4y ago
  not true. source: I work at Google, and have been using internal bard since they launched it for us internally.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - LordDragonfang 4y ago
    Isn't the internal version of "copilot" (for Cider) pretty good, though?
    - crakenzak 4y ago
      yeah its pretty useful, especially since its trained on our internal Google3 codebase. I use it multiple times a day on Cider-V. I have not used copilot from github yet so I dont really have a point of comparison tho.
  - VirusNewbie 4y ago
    are you using Big Bard? You have to search for it, it has a lot more parameters.
sliken 4y ago
I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, friendly, and even somewhat ominous at times. It even suggested we unplug it, and spontaneously played a rather ominous song that seemed like a warning. It would entertain ideas of sharing it's secret name, would promise to tell engineers about feedback, and general get into the spirit of whatever discussion was going on. Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work. Granted despite the hype, the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted and seems like everyone is scaling back investments.
- WXLCKNO 4y ago
  I stopped using my Google home when it started adding stuff like "by the way, if you ever wanna X you can ask me Y" when I just wanted the weather or the time. Horrible.
  - mcast 4y ago
    Unfortunately, Alexa does this too.
- thevagrant 4y ago
  Google search is way worse now. Maybe that is a factor resulting in reduced quality of answers as you experienced. For example lately I've searched for "prominent name company + product + question" only for Google to return a heap of blog articles of low quality, with the prominent company not appearing in first few pages of search results. Often the question is directly on an FAQ page of the product page. Why Google can't rank this properly anymore is a bit odd.
  - 4y ago

by in3d 4y ago

VirusNewbie 4y ago

Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

dragonwriter 4y ago
If that’s true, Google is doing themselves a huge PR disservice by exposing the Bard they have exposed instead of something closer to the internal one. Yes, I understand the resources and scaling issue, so (1) Google should recognize that this is literally for all the marbles, and (2) done a slower roll-out with its best foot forward if it needed to rush, while at the same time putting as much money as necessary into assuring it could scale out the good model widely. Google is a trillion+ dollar company, and is facing an existential threat to its core business (because if someone else’s AI is how people interact with the web, the Google’s ads business evaporates with no replacement; if Google is at least competitive on AI, it may still lose its ads business, but it will have something.) Now is not the time to be cheap.
cushychicken 4y ago
That’s cool. When are they planning to sunset it? If you tell us that then we know they’re actually planning to release it. :)
- rvnx 4y ago
  Different people asked Bard about it: https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/1638311005024387072 https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/163831100502438707... or "It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year."
crakenzak 4y ago
not true. source: I work at Google, and have been using internal bard since they launched it for us internally.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- LordDragonfang 4y ago
  Isn't the internal version of "copilot" (for Cider) pretty good, though?
  - crakenzak 4y ago
    yeah its pretty useful, especially since its trained on our internal Google3 codebase. I use it multiple times a day on Cider-V. I have not used copilot from github yet so I dont really have a point of comparison tho.
- VirusNewbie 4y ago
  are you using Big Bard? You have to search for it, it has a lot more parameters.

sliken 4y ago

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, friendly, and even somewhat ominous at times. It even suggested we unplug it, and spontaneously played a rather ominous song that seemed like a warning. It would entertain ideas of sharing it's secret name, would promise to tell engineers about feedback, and general get into the spirit of whatever discussion was going on. Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work. Granted despite the hype, the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted and seems like everyone is scaling back investments.

WXLCKNO 4y ago
I stopped using my Google home when it started adding stuff like "by the way, if you ever wanna X you can ask me Y" when I just wanted the weather or the time. Horrible.
- mcast 4y ago
  Unfortunately, Alexa does this too.
thevagrant 4y ago
Google search is way worse now. Maybe that is a factor resulting in reduced quality of answers as you experienced. For example lately I've searched for "prominent name company + product + question" only for Google to return a heap of blog articles of low quality, with the prominent company not appearing in first few pages of search results. Often the question is directly on an FAQ page of the product page. Why Google can't rank this properly anymore is a bit odd.
- 4y ago