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Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of

Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... (Edit: only one page is from Gender Queer, another is from a different book that was removed.) If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. I really wish schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university.

barbazoo 4y ago
> Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: > (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. > I really wish primary schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university. I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. Also what you're leaving out is that behind the pixelation isn't a penis but a strap on. The second image isn't contained in the book at all. Stop spreading misinformation.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  > No sane educator or library person... That's the problem: https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jcps-libraries/41393659 https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jc... https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-librarian-promotes-gender-queer-book-to-students-on-her-tiktok https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-lib... https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-memoir-gender-queer-stay-hudson-high-school-library/9675218002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-me... https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/3673798-maine-school-district-votes-against-removal-of-one-of-the-nations-most-challenged-books/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclu... https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-in-high-school-controversial-book-gender-queer-a-memoir https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-i... There's plenty more, and even more that had it but were forced to remove it after parent backlash.
  - thwayunion 4y ago
    >>> If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. >> I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. > That's the problem: <lists articles> The first article is about 2 high schools. The second article is about a high school. The third article is about a high school. The fourth article is about a high school. The fifth article is also about a... wait for it!... a high school. High schools are not primary schools and high schoolers are not young children. (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.)
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.) So should the high school library have a hentai section next to the manga? Hustlers on the magazine rack next to Newsweek? Lots of teens vape, so no one should have a problem with vape juice vending machines in the cafeteria, right? Wouldn't it make sense for the school district to have a PornHub subscription to supplement ProQuest? The fact that teens do some thing does not at all imply it's appropriate for a school setting.

barbazoo 4y ago

> Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: > (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. > I really wish primary schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university. I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. Also what you're leaving out is that behind the pixelation isn't a penis but a strap on. The second image isn't contained in the book at all. Stop spreading misinformation.

zdragnar 4y ago
> No sane educator or library person... That's the problem: https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jcps-libraries/41393659 https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jc... https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-librarian-promotes-gender-queer-book-to-students-on-her-tiktok https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-lib... https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-memoir-gender-queer-stay-hudson-high-school-library/9675218002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-me... https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/3673798-maine-school-district-votes-against-removal-of-one-of-the-nations-most-challenged-books/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclu... https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-in-high-school-controversial-book-gender-queer-a-memoir https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-i... There's plenty more, and even more that had it but were forced to remove it after parent backlash.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  >>> If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. >> I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. > That's the problem: <lists articles> The first article is about 2 high schools. The second article is about a high school. The third article is about a high school. The fourth article is about a high school. The fifth article is also about a... wait for it!... a high school. High schools are not primary schools and high schoolers are not young children. (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.)
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.) So should the high school library have a hentai section next to the manga? Hustlers on the magazine rack next to Newsweek? Lots of teens vape, so no one should have a problem with vape juice vending machines in the cafeteria, right? Wouldn't it make sense for the school district to have a PornHub subscription to supplement ProQuest? The fact that teens do some thing does not at all imply it's appropriate for a school setting.