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Does this law apply for students of all ages? Surely "sexually explicit" materials are a requirement for sexual education right? What am I missing?

by eastof 4y ago

mrguyorama 4y ago
You're missing that most of these people want to kill sexual education too. They are openly against modern education, and think the father of the household should have final say on anything and everything.
- nostromo 4y ago
  Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... (Edit: only one page is from Gender Queer, another is from a different book that was removed.) If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. I really wish schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university.
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    > Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: > (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. > I really wish primary schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university. I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. Also what you're leaving out is that behind the pixelation isn't a penis but a strap on. The second image isn't contained in the book at all. Stop spreading misinformation.
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      > No sane educator or library person... That's the problem: https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jcps-libraries/41393659 https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jc... https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-librarian-promotes-gender-queer-book-to-students-on-her-tiktok https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-lib... https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-memoir-gender-queer-stay-hudson-high-school-library/9675218002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-me... https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/3673798-maine-school-district-votes-against-removal-of-one-of-the-nations-most-challenged-books/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclu... https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-in-high-school-controversial-book-gender-queer-a-memoir https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-i... There's plenty more, and even more that had it but were forced to remove it after parent backlash.
      - thwayunion 4y ago
        >>> If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. >> I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. > That's the problem: <lists articles> The first article is about 2 high schools. The second article is about a high school. The third article is about a high school. The fourth article is about a high school. The fifth article is also about a... wait for it!... a high school. High schools are not primary schools and high schoolers are not young children. (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.)
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.) So should the high school library have a hentai section next to the manga? Hustlers on the magazine rack next to Newsweek? Lots of teens vape, so no one should have a problem with vape juice vending machines in the cafeteria, right? Wouldn't it make sense for the school district to have a PornHub subscription to supplement ProQuest? The fact that teens do some thing does not at all imply it's appropriate for a school setting.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Somewhat off-topic, but the other day a school principal in Florida was forced out of a job because some parents were upset that their 6th-graders were exposed to an image of Michelangelo's David - in an art history class: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894493/Tallahassee-principal-fired-parents-complain-Michelangelo-statue-David-pornographic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894493/Tallahasse... There's an overlap between these sort of hyper-reactionary people and politically motivated street toughs, who are likely to keep escalating such situations because it's strategically effective.
  - nostromo 4y ago
    That's a charter school though. They're largely free to shape the content however they like.
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      The point is about the increasing prevalence of reactionary and prudish attitudes, not institutional configuration.
    - jessaustin 4y ago
      Somehow one doubts that a new "Kindergarten is Mostly Hardcore Porn Appreciation" charter elementary would escape legislative attention in our increasingly authoritarian climate... A "Kindergarten is Mostly Singing Songs about Jesus" charter elementary, OTOH? We may have a few hundred of those already.
ensignavenger 4y ago
The law clearly exempts sex education and scientific works.
- deleted 4y ago
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thwayunion 4y ago
It applies to PEOPLE of all ages. The law is about public libraries, NOT public school libraries. 100.00% of FY 2022's allocation went to NON-school public libraries.

Does this law apply for students of all ages? Surely "sexually explicit" materials are a requirement for sexual education right? What am I missing?

by eastof 4y ago

Does this law apply for students of all ages? Surely "sexually explicit" materials are a requirement for sexual education right? What am I missing?

mrguyorama 4y ago

You're missing that most of these people want to kill sexual education too. They are openly against modern education, and think the father of the household should have final say on anything and everything.

nostromo 4y ago
Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... (Edit: only one page is from Gender Queer, another is from a different book that was removed.) If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. I really wish schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  > Some of the material that was available in school libraries shocked even me as a gay man. Here are two pages from a book (Gender Queer) that caused a bunch of this controversy: > (Caution: these links might be NSFW, but they are blurred) > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-42518-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen... > If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. > I really wish primary schools would focus on the basics: reading, mathematics, writing. There are too many educators that are trying to mold them into indoctrination facilities for politics and new theories of identity. There is plenty of time to do that at university. I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. Also what you're leaving out is that behind the pixelation isn't a penis but a strap on. The second image isn't contained in the book at all. Stop spreading misinformation.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    > No sane educator or library person... That's the problem: https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jcps-libraries/41393659 https://www.wlky.com/article/gender-queer-book-louisville-jc... https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-librarian-promotes-gender-queer-book-to-students-on-her-tiktok https://foxchattanooga.com/news/nation-world/high-school-lib... https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-memoir-gender-queer-stay-hudson-high-school-library/9675218002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/05/10/lgbtq-me... https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/3673798-maine-school-district-votes-against-removal-of-one-of-the-nations-most-challenged-books/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclu... https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-in-high-school-controversial-book-gender-queer-a-memoir https://wgme.com/news/local/turner-community-members-weigh-i... There's plenty more, and even more that had it but were forced to remove it after parent backlash.
    - thwayunion 4y ago
      >>> If a parent wanted to give this book to their child at an appropriate age, that'd be fine, but just hanging out on a shelf at primary schools with very young kids seems like too much. >> I've read that book and it's not aimed at children. No sane educator or library person would offer that to a young child. > That's the problem: <lists articles> The first article is about 2 high schools. The second article is about a high school. The third article is about a high school. The fourth article is about a high school. The fifth article is also about a... wait for it!... a high school. High schools are not primary schools and high schoolers are not young children. (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.)
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > (Also: the whole conversation is hilariously non-unique to libraries. 90% of male teens watch porn, and that's probably an under-estimate given that porn is embarrassing/stigmatizing... I promise you there are exactly zero high schoolers in this entire country who have access to this book in their school library who do not also have infinitely easier access to near-infinite amounts of actual porn.) So should the high school library have a hentai section next to the manga? Hustlers on the magazine rack next to Newsweek? Lots of teens vape, so no one should have a problem with vape juice vending machines in the cafeteria, right? Wouldn't it make sense for the school district to have a PornHub subscription to supplement ProQuest? The fact that teens do some thing does not at all imply it's appropriate for a school setting.
anigbrowl 4y ago
Somewhat off-topic, but the other day a school principal in Florida was forced out of a job because some parents were upset that their 6th-graders were exposed to an image of Michelangelo's David - in an art history class: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894493/Tallahassee-principal-fired-parents-complain-Michelangelo-statue-David-pornographic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894493/Tallahasse... There's an overlap between these sort of hyper-reactionary people and politically motivated street toughs, who are likely to keep escalating such situations because it's strategically effective.
- nostromo 4y ago
  That's a charter school though. They're largely free to shape the content however they like.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    The point is about the increasing prevalence of reactionary and prudish attitudes, not institutional configuration.
  - jessaustin 4y ago
    Somehow one doubts that a new "Kindergarten is Mostly Hardcore Porn Appreciation" charter elementary would escape legislative attention in our increasingly authoritarian climate... A "Kindergarten is Mostly Singing Songs about Jesus" charter elementary, OTOH? We may have a few hundred of those already.

ensignavenger 4y ago

The law clearly exempts sex education and scientific works.

deleted 4y ago
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thwayunion 4y ago

It applies to PEOPLE of all ages. The law is about public libraries, NOT public school libraries. 100.00% of FY 2022's allocation went to NON-school public libraries.