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Religions are claims so I don't see a difference if the person truly believes it. I don't know if your definition of religion is important to what people consid

Religions are claims so I don't see a difference if the person truly believes it. I don't know if your definition of religion is important to what people consider their religion.

brewdad 4y ago
Ok but what happens when my religion says no one should be allowed to live past age 50? I have a "strongly held" belief that all of the world's problems are caused by older people and removing them from the planet is a necessity. There have to be some limits on what is allowed to be a protected religious belief. Otherwise we get into the realm of ranking which human rights matter more and that path leads to madness. The path of "silly" religious beliefs is no better. My religion requires that Coke Zero be the one true soda. If the employee cafeteria offers sodas, you must accommodate my beliefs by serving Coke Zero. Also, Pepsi is the root of all evil and must never be allowed in the same room as Coke products.
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  Of course we as humans should create limits to protect ourselves from crazies but let's be clear; the "silly" religious beliefs are generally nothing but an inconvenience. That is completely different than thinking outsiders of your religion should die. My point is that those that hold religious beliefs would ignore limits if they targeted their beliefs anyway. Additionally, the action of defining what is and is not religion is usually done by those with self-righteous attitudes. Humans regularly decide if they like someone based on what they believe and an unbiased definition will never be possible in our current state.
- ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
  Ultimately, religions are about the behaviour of the members of that religion. Attempting to make others conform to your own religion is generally a bad idea and leads to violence and wars. If you truly believe that over-50s are against the will of <insert-deity>, then it is up to you to remove yourself when you hit that age. Similarly, it is up to you to only consume Coke Zero and not be tempted by the evils of other sodas. If you feel strongly enough about it then you boycott any cafeterias that provide alternatives. Religions that prescribe the behaviour of non-members are merely a means to control other people and such religions should be shunned by society due to the historical problems that they have caused.
  - yamazakiwi 4y ago
    I completely agree and would add that if I am not supposed to drink soda, I would appreciate additional drink options for beverages at work, but I would not expect the company to ban drinks I am choosing not to have based on my beliefs. It is my free will that allows me to follow my religious teachings. When I affect the free will of others based on what is ideal for me, I am being selfish.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Because claims that you don't believe aren't your religion. And you don't get religious protection for things that aren't your religion. I don't get Fridays off just because Muslims do, because I'm not Muslim.

Religions are claims so I don't see a difference if the person truly believes it. I don't know if your definition of religion is important to what people consider their religion.

brewdad 4y ago

Ok but what happens when my religion says no one should be allowed to live past age 50? I have a "strongly held" belief that all of the world's problems are caused by older people and removing them from the planet is a necessity. There have to be some limits on what is allowed to be a protected religious belief. Otherwise we get into the realm of ranking which human rights matter more and that path leads to madness. The path of "silly" religious beliefs is no better. My religion requires that Coke Zero be the one true soda. If the employee cafeteria offers sodas, you must accommodate my beliefs by serving Coke Zero. Also, Pepsi is the root of all evil and must never be allowed in the same room as Coke products.

yamazakiwi 4y ago
Of course we as humans should create limits to protect ourselves from crazies but let's be clear; the "silly" religious beliefs are generally nothing but an inconvenience. That is completely different than thinking outsiders of your religion should die. My point is that those that hold religious beliefs would ignore limits if they targeted their beliefs anyway. Additionally, the action of defining what is and is not religion is usually done by those with self-righteous attitudes. Humans regularly decide if they like someone based on what they believe and an unbiased definition will never be possible in our current state.
ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
Ultimately, religions are about the behaviour of the members of that religion. Attempting to make others conform to your own religion is generally a bad idea and leads to violence and wars. If you truly believe that over-50s are against the will of <insert-deity>, then it is up to you to remove yourself when you hit that age. Similarly, it is up to you to only consume Coke Zero and not be tempted by the evils of other sodas. If you feel strongly enough about it then you boycott any cafeterias that provide alternatives. Religions that prescribe the behaviour of non-members are merely a means to control other people and such religions should be shunned by society due to the historical problems that they have caused.
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  I completely agree and would add that if I am not supposed to drink soda, I would appreciate additional drink options for beverages at work, but I would not expect the company to ban drinks I am choosing not to have based on my beliefs. It is my free will that allows me to follow my religious teachings. When I affect the free will of others based on what is ideal for me, I am being selfish.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

Because claims that you don't believe aren't your religion. And you don't get religious protection for things that aren't your religion. I don't get Fridays off just because Muslims do, because I'm not Muslim.