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> And completely retaliation for Afroman nagging them about the status of a case where he was previously the _victim_ of a burglary. Heh, so because he was the

> And completely retaliation for Afroman nagging them about the status of a case where he was previously the _victim_ of a burglary. Heh, so because he was the victim of a burglary the police decided to do burgle him again.

Kye 4y ago
Police steal more than people usually thought of as criminals by way of asset forfeiture abuse, so it tracks.
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  Yeah, don’t get into a traffic stop with any large amount of cash on you.
- SideQuark 4y ago
  Total assets seized per year, including valid seizures, is under $3b [1]. Total retail theft alone is well over $60b [2]. Adding in other crimes like employee theft, fraud, property crimes, and so on puts total US cost from crime well into hundreds of billions. So no, police don't steal more than traditional criminals. [1] https://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-0 https://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-0 [2] https://www.rila.org/focus-areas/public-policy/study-retail-theft-balloons-to-over-68-billion https://www.rila.org/focus-areas/public-policy/study-retail-...
  - Kye 4y ago
    I'm not saying you're wrong, but you picked the most biased sources possible. [1] is reported by the people doing the thieving. [2] wants to maximize sympathy from the public and payouts from insurance. And it doesn't actually affect the point.
    - SideQuark 4y ago
      Present other evidence then. If your entire claim is wrong, and it's not even close, it affects the point. There's many, many sources for numbers just like these. I've found none even coming close to your statement. If you based it on some solid evidence, present it. If you just completely made it up, admit it. When your world view is made of false claims and feelings and you ignore actual evidence, don't be surprised when people that do prefer evidence won't believe you.
      - Kye 4y ago
        $6B of thieving every year by people who are supposed to stop crime is plenty to call it. That's your own number. It should be zero billion. Six of them should be a national crisis.
        TheHappyOddish 4y ago
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        Kye 4y ago
        This isn't football. There are no goalposts. I acknowledged I was off, but asserted there is no okay amount of theft by cops. And if there were, $6B/year is well above it.
        SideQuark 4y ago
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ramesh31 4y ago
>And completely retaliation for Afroman nagging them about the status of a case where he was previously the _victim_ of a burglary. Then people wonder why black people don't talk to (or call) the police. It has nothing to do with "snitching". It's about the fact that It never ends well, no matter which side you're on. Best to avoid the beasts entirely.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Both my parents worked and retired PD... most cops are mostly good, like most people. It only takes a handful of bad guys to have an outsized effect, and the protections for govt employees in general, and police in particular is way too strong imo... The aversion to police altogether, while I understand is akin to being overprotective as a parent, which can be more than just counterproductive but harmful as a whole.
  - pacaro 4y ago
    Few people dispute that there are some good peace officers. However, there appear to be no good police unions. The unions bend over backwards to protect bent cops almost regardless of their actions. The "good cops" also support these unions - if they didn't, and if the "good cops" where the majority, then the police unions would reflect that And one of the misunderstood things about ACAB is that it doesn't have to be literally true, if there are enough bad cops (and we know by now that there are), and if the bad cops are protected by the good cops (which we also know to be the case most of the time) then as a civilian you don't know which you're going to be dealing with in an interaction. The only safe thing to do is to assume that any given cop that you interact with is a bad cop.
    - Arrath 4y ago
      Thank you for putting it better than I could have.
    - tracker1 4y ago
      The problem is a lot of it cuts both ways... a lot of cops see misconduct investigations and a LOT of them are either unsubstantiated or lies. It's really impossible to know from the outside and onset. In the case of Floyd, for example, I don't know anyone, cop or not, that didn't think that was excessive force and completely wrong. The union is supposed to serve the police, and that includes legal protection... your lawyer is going to back you, that's how the system works. Would you want a defense lawyer that was against you? I know it's pretty simplistic, but that's largely what it comes down to... I'm not supporting police misconduct at all. I think that civil asset forfeiture is a crime, I think that police spend too much time trying to make criminals out of innocent people... Once at an accident where I was rear ended, "why is your seatbelt unbuckled?" I was kind of pissed, because, "I needed to get my insurance and registration from the glove box." In the end, I get it... I do feel, however, that the ACAB is oversized because a lot of it is over-reported or misrepresented. I'm also not that inclined to generally and blindly support police. They are agents of the govt's interests and not yours. They serve the govt and the govt is too split from general good and in favor of the wealthy and powerful. And I also think that enforcing draconian lockdowns in many places didn't gain them any favor with anyone these past few years. Again, most cops are mostly good, like most people. And like most people they will bend to peer pressure, anxiety, stress and their environment. You really want to see people with a bent personality, talk to the guys that have to clean up traffic accidents sometime... They're quasi police and complete alcoholics for the most part. That's a job nobody should have for an extended period of time. It's extreme, but only to show that one's own experiences will shape their perception. Of course, I am biased, I just make an effort to be level headed as much as possible.

Kye 4y ago

Police steal more than people usually thought of as criminals by way of asset forfeiture abuse, so it tracks.

eurasiantiger 4y ago
Yeah, don’t get into a traffic stop with any large amount of cash on you.
SideQuark 4y ago
Total assets seized per year, including valid seizures, is under $3b [1]. Total retail theft alone is well over $60b [2]. Adding in other crimes like employee theft, fraud, property crimes, and so on puts total US cost from crime well into hundreds of billions. So no, police don't steal more than traditional criminals. [1] https://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-0 https://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-0 [2] https://www.rila.org/focus-areas/public-policy/study-retail-theft-balloons-to-over-68-billion https://www.rila.org/focus-areas/public-policy/study-retail-...
- Kye 4y ago
  I'm not saying you're wrong, but you picked the most biased sources possible. [1] is reported by the people doing the thieving. [2] wants to maximize sympathy from the public and payouts from insurance. And it doesn't actually affect the point.
  - SideQuark 4y ago
    Present other evidence then. If your entire claim is wrong, and it's not even close, it affects the point. There's many, many sources for numbers just like these. I've found none even coming close to your statement. If you based it on some solid evidence, present it. If you just completely made it up, admit it. When your world view is made of false claims and feelings and you ignore actual evidence, don't be surprised when people that do prefer evidence won't believe you.
    - Kye 4y ago
      $6B of thieving every year by people who are supposed to stop crime is plenty to call it. That's your own number. It should be zero billion. Six of them should be a national crisis.
      - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
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        Kye 4y ago
        This isn't football. There are no goalposts. I acknowledged I was off, but asserted there is no okay amount of theft by cops. And if there were, $6B/year is well above it.
      - SideQuark 4y ago
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        deleted 4y ago
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ramesh31 4y ago

>And completely retaliation for Afroman nagging them about the status of a case where he was previously the _victim_ of a burglary. Then people wonder why black people don't talk to (or call) the police. It has nothing to do with "snitching". It's about the fact that It never ends well, no matter which side you're on. Best to avoid the beasts entirely.

tracker1 4y ago
Both my parents worked and retired PD... most cops are mostly good, like most people. It only takes a handful of bad guys to have an outsized effect, and the protections for govt employees in general, and police in particular is way too strong imo... The aversion to police altogether, while I understand is akin to being overprotective as a parent, which can be more than just counterproductive but harmful as a whole.
- pacaro 4y ago
  Few people dispute that there are some good peace officers. However, there appear to be no good police unions. The unions bend over backwards to protect bent cops almost regardless of their actions. The "good cops" also support these unions - if they didn't, and if the "good cops" where the majority, then the police unions would reflect that And one of the misunderstood things about ACAB is that it doesn't have to be literally true, if there are enough bad cops (and we know by now that there are), and if the bad cops are protected by the good cops (which we also know to be the case most of the time) then as a civilian you don't know which you're going to be dealing with in an interaction. The only safe thing to do is to assume that any given cop that you interact with is a bad cop.
  - Arrath 4y ago
    Thank you for putting it better than I could have.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    The problem is a lot of it cuts both ways... a lot of cops see misconduct investigations and a LOT of them are either unsubstantiated or lies. It's really impossible to know from the outside and onset. In the case of Floyd, for example, I don't know anyone, cop or not, that didn't think that was excessive force and completely wrong. The union is supposed to serve the police, and that includes legal protection... your lawyer is going to back you, that's how the system works. Would you want a defense lawyer that was against you? I know it's pretty simplistic, but that's largely what it comes down to... I'm not supporting police misconduct at all. I think that civil asset forfeiture is a crime, I think that police spend too much time trying to make criminals out of innocent people... Once at an accident where I was rear ended, "why is your seatbelt unbuckled?" I was kind of pissed, because, "I needed to get my insurance and registration from the glove box." In the end, I get it... I do feel, however, that the ACAB is oversized because a lot of it is over-reported or misrepresented. I'm also not that inclined to generally and blindly support police. They are agents of the govt's interests and not yours. They serve the govt and the govt is too split from general good and in favor of the wealthy and powerful. And I also think that enforcing draconian lockdowns in many places didn't gain them any favor with anyone these past few years. Again, most cops are mostly good, like most people. And like most people they will bend to peer pressure, anxiety, stress and their environment. You really want to see people with a bent personality, talk to the guys that have to clean up traffic accidents sometime... They're quasi police and complete alcoholics for the most part. That's a job nobody should have for an extended period of time. It's extreme, but only to show that one's own experiences will shape their perception. Of course, I am biased, I just make an effort to be level headed as much as possible.