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Midjourney is not confused about what an Orc looks like (I know, I got distracted by the generated image) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/10144984564228

by vertis 4y ago

Midjourney is not confused about what an Orc looks like (I know, I got distracted by the generated image) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014498456422854696/1088788180830003310/vertis_You_open_the_door_and_see_three_orcs_wearing_business_su_04efd7e2-bf3c-4aa5-b9fb-19d7a91d6349.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014498456422854696/1... (Midjourney prompt: You open the door and see three orcs wearing business suits. They’re seated at a fine oak board room table. The orcs look up at you, and one says “You’re late.” --ar 2:1)

pcthrowaway 4y ago
Why does it think they look like Ogres?
- danaris 4y ago
  Why do you think those images look like ogres? They look like fairly common portrayals of orcs to me.
  - pcthrowaway 4y ago
    Because Orcs look like this https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg and ogres look like this https://www.gameogre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ogre-Empire-696x393.jpg https://www.gameogre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ogre-Emp... In actuality, I was just joking about the idea that a ML art tool can get "Orc"s wrong since there's such variation in how they're conceptualized, same with ogres
    - account42 4y ago
      > Because Orcs look like this https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg Middle Earth Orcs (aka degenerate Elves) look like that. There are other popular fantasy settings. The only common thread is "strongly built usually ugly humanoid with often green or otherwise non-human skin color and perhaps pointy ears".
    - danaris 4y ago
      Those aren't even orcs and ogres from the same franchise/setting. Orcs "look like" dozens of different things, and ogres have at least as many "canonical" appearances—possibly more, given that orcs were invented by Tolkien about a century ago, and ogres exist in the folklore of many different cultures going back at least a millennium. I think the comment about DALL-E being unsure what they look like is because the picture in the article has three creatures that don't look much like each other, and also look oddly ambiguous in just what's supposed to be portrayed.
- mock-possum 4y ago
  Ogres are big Orcs, Goblins are small Orcs.
starlight_nomad 4y ago
Hmm, I really like the armored business attire present in three of those images. Kind of makes me think of the old Monty Python Corporate Raiders bit, but with a D&D theme.

by vertis 4y ago

pcthrowaway 4y ago

Why does it think they look like Ogres?

danaris 4y ago
Why do you think those images look like ogres? They look like fairly common portrayals of orcs to me.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  Because Orcs look like this https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg and ogres look like this https://www.gameogre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ogre-Empire-696x393.jpg https://www.gameogre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ogre-Emp... In actuality, I was just joking about the idea that a ML art tool can get "Orc"s wrong since there's such variation in how they're conceptualized, same with ogres
  - account42 4y ago
    > Because Orcs look like this https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs?file=AzogPines2.jpg Middle Earth Orcs (aka degenerate Elves) look like that. There are other popular fantasy settings. The only common thread is "strongly built usually ugly humanoid with often green or otherwise non-human skin color and perhaps pointy ears".
  - danaris 4y ago
    Those aren't even orcs and ogres from the same franchise/setting. Orcs "look like" dozens of different things, and ogres have at least as many "canonical" appearances—possibly more, given that orcs were invented by Tolkien about a century ago, and ogres exist in the folklore of many different cultures going back at least a millennium. I think the comment about DALL-E being unsure what they look like is because the picture in the article has three creatures that don't look much like each other, and also look oddly ambiguous in just what's supposed to be portrayed.
mock-possum 4y ago
Ogres are big Orcs, Goblins are small Orcs.

starlight_nomad 4y ago

Hmm, I really like the armored business attire present in three of those images. Kind of makes me think of the old Monty Python Corporate Raiders bit, but with a D&D theme.