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> Politically neutral AI systems that provide balanced sources and a diverse set of legitimate viewpoints Deus ex machina, then? If humans can't decide truth

> Politically neutral AI systems that provide balanced sources and a diverse set of legitimate viewpoints Deus ex machina, then? If humans can't decide truth for each other, why would machines be better at it?

methodin 4y ago
The irony is that a lot of people on this earth have opinions already formed by bots and AI without knowing it
fallingknife 4y ago
Able to perform observations that human senses are unable to. Able to hold more data in memory at once. Able to perform calculations at a much faster rate. Freedom from emotional bias. There's four reasons right there.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Our priors strongly suggest that AI will have similar biases to ourselves and are not immune to cognitive faults. I am not sure it is possible to train an AI (or possibly any intelligence) with no biases. ChatGPT's working memory seems to be less than a human's, as does its ability to perform correct calculations (although it is fast about it). To suggest that AI will be better at something without evidence just because it runs on a computer would be contrary to available evidence.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  > Able to perform observations that human senses are unable to. What sources of observations do AIs have that human senses don't? I mean, you could talk about something like the Webb Telescope, which can see things that humans can't. But humans can see what Webb sends back just as well as an AI can. If you mean that AIs can spot things in, say, medical images that humans can't, even when looking at the same image, that's true, but I'm not sure that it's all that relevant to the current question.
Nevermark 4y ago
Machines can learn information from all available resources. Humans can’t. Often don’t want to.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
  Machines can't `learn' anything at all. They just recognize patterns.
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    LLM have no mechanism for determining truth. They have a dataset which determines what is truth to them. If you include "all sources" they are just going to include a lot of junk next to useful information. An ML algo consuming content generated from other ML algos (which will be the reality very soon) is basically just recycling garbage over and over. It's certainly no mechanism for elevating "truth".
    - jkea 4y ago
      What are humans mechanisms for determining truth?
      - tstrimple 4y ago
        As far as I'm aware, the scientific method is the best we have at the moment and it has delivered pretty good results.
  - Nevermark 4y ago
    They don’t just recognize patterns. They learn to recognize patters. Any algorithm that captured anything useful from exposure to data is learning. Machines most definitely learn. Watch a plot of generalization accuracy over training iterations (by testing with non-training data). You will see periods of slow improvement, alternating with periods of very fast improvement, as important relationships are discovered. Machines earn.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Why would machines trained by human writings be better at it?

methodin 4y ago

The irony is that a lot of people on this earth have opinions already formed by bots and AI without knowing it

fallingknife 4y ago

Able to perform observations that human senses are unable to. Able to hold more data in memory at once. Able to perform calculations at a much faster rate. Freedom from emotional bias. There's four reasons right there.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Our priors strongly suggest that AI will have similar biases to ourselves and are not immune to cognitive faults. I am not sure it is possible to train an AI (or possibly any intelligence) with no biases. ChatGPT's working memory seems to be less than a human's, as does its ability to perform correct calculations (although it is fast about it). To suggest that AI will be better at something without evidence just because it runs on a computer would be contrary to available evidence.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
> Able to perform observations that human senses are unable to. What sources of observations do AIs have that human senses don't? I mean, you could talk about something like the Webb Telescope, which can see things that humans can't. But humans can see what Webb sends back just as well as an AI can. If you mean that AIs can spot things in, say, medical images that humans can't, even when looking at the same image, that's true, but I'm not sure that it's all that relevant to the current question.

Nevermark 4y ago

Machines can learn information from all available resources. Humans can’t. Often don’t want to.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
Machines can't `learn' anything at all. They just recognize patterns.
- tstrimple 4y ago
  LLM have no mechanism for determining truth. They have a dataset which determines what is truth to them. If you include "all sources" they are just going to include a lot of junk next to useful information. An ML algo consuming content generated from other ML algos (which will be the reality very soon) is basically just recycling garbage over and over. It's certainly no mechanism for elevating "truth".
  - jkea 4y ago
    What are humans mechanisms for determining truth?
    - tstrimple 4y ago
      As far as I'm aware, the scientific method is the best we have at the moment and it has delivered pretty good results.
- Nevermark 4y ago
  They don’t just recognize patterns. They learn to recognize patters. Any algorithm that captured anything useful from exposure to data is learning. Machines most definitely learn. Watch a plot of generalization accuracy over training iterations (by testing with non-training data). You will see periods of slow improvement, alternating with periods of very fast improvement, as important relationships are discovered. Machines earn.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

Why would machines trained by human writings be better at it?