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As a reasonably well-educated conservative, I am willing to listen to ideas from those that see things differently that I do. However, these extremist neo-fasci

As a reasonably well-educated conservative, I am willing to listen to ideas from those that see things differently that I do. However, these extremist neo-fascists that want to shout down, disrupt, censor speech they don’t like.. the whole “cancel culture” concept.. all of that makes be very disinclined to care about any of their viewpoints when I might otherwise be open minded to their arguments. When the “debate” includes some form of how racist or transphobic, or hateful, or privileged I am, then anything after that is going to be ignored because I am neither racist, transphobic, or hateful, so when my ideas are attacked as such simply because I don’t agree with neo-Marxist ideas of government and society, then it’s clear there is no point in listening any further. Why am I going to take lessons on racism, sexism, or any other -ism or -phobia from those who judge me entirely on my skin color and my gender? Why should I care about the ideas of those who hate me? My point here is that these children and their supporters who think they’re going to “win” by smothering the other side are hastening their own irrelevance. You don’t win hearts and minds by punching people in the face (figuratively and literally.)

yodon 4y ago
>As a reasonably well-educated conservative ... Why am I going to take lessons ... from those who judge me entirely on my skin color and my gender? It is so depressing to hear well-educated conservatives act as if the primary racism in this country is directed against conservatives. Is some racism directed against self described well educated conservatives? Certainly. Is the amount of racism directed against well educated conservatives within even an order of magnitude of the racism directed at Black, Latino, and Asian individuals regardless of political leaning or educational level? Far greater self-reflection is needed on the part of those who believe it is. The experiences you are having as a self described well-educated conservative who is encountering racism directed at you should give you empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates than you do, because these experiences that are new for you are not new for them.
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  > It is so depressing to hear well-educated conservatives act as if the primary racism in this country is directed against conservatives. Certainly not as conservative as the poster, but that's not what they said. They seemed to indicate that it's hypocritical to call someone a racist solely on the basis of their race, and I agree. > The experiences you are having as a self described well-educated conservative who is encountering racism directed at you should give you empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates than you do Why are we to suppose the OP doesn't have empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates? It sounds like you're not listening to them, in fact imagining they hold views it's not clear they hold. They are saying it's hard to listen to anyone when they are calling you racist, sexist, homo/transphobic when you're not, or when someone chooses to talk about your race or other essential characteristic, rather than your ideas. Consider for a moment the OP didn't come here to explain who has it worse. Perhaps they are trying to explain that they are more interested in ideas than struggle sessions. Again, I agree.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    > They are saying it's hard to listen to anyone when they are calling you racist, sexist, homo/transphobic when you're not, It’s not. Maybe they should toughen up a little bit. > or when someone chooses to talk about your race or other essential characteristic, rather than your ideas. Some states in the US want to tell adults how to dress based on the characteristics of their private parts. What are your conservative ideas about that ?
    - mustache_kimono 4y ago
      > Maybe they should toughen up a little bit. Not listening when someone wrongly labels you and calls you names seems like a healthy response? At least compared to losing your mind in front of a federal judge? > Some states in the US want to tell adults how to dress based on the characteristics of their private parts. Yeah, that's not good. But I'd imagine law students losing their cool over a judge whose rulings never touch that particular trans issue make it less likely Americans give these draconian and illiberal laws a second thought. So -- nice job, goofball. You've stepped on our collective dicks and proven how ridiculous progressives can be once again. Love nothing more than you proving how impotent and self important we can be.
foogazi 4y ago
> When the “debate” includes some form of how racist or transphobic, or hateful, or privileged I am Aren’t you privileged though ? Suffering racism hurts more than being called racist - those are not the same The slaves owned by Thomas Jefferson suffered more by his enslavement than Thomas Jefferson when his statues are torn down - and yet conservative people complain a lot more about the latter
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  > Suffering racism hurts more than being called racist - those are not the same First -- no one said this. No one has made the argument that suffering racism isn't awful. You hold a mistaken and caricatured view of most conservatives. Second -- it's not a particularly conservative value to want to hear what a federal judge has to say to a classroom of law students. If you absolutely can't stand what a judge has to say, try to a form a question that might confound the judge, and which might demonstrate why you think they are wrong. That's one remedy for a law student. You can also choose not to attend. You can attend, and hold up a sign that shows your discontent. You can do any number of things, but one of them is not what amounts to a heckler's veto of a federal judge. Why? Because it's important liberal judges can speak to law students in Nebraska and Oklahoma and Mississippi without being shouted down. Because, although you may have already made up your mind about everything, persuasion, reasoned debate, and an open exchange of ideas matters to others of us. It's profoundly selfish to make the choice for me about what speech I should be able to listen to. Judge Duncan is not my cup of tea, but this illiberal strain of "progressivism" is certainly not it either.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    > No one has made the argument that suffering racism isn't awful. gp I responded to stated: > When the “debate” includes some form of how racist or transphobic, or hateful, or privileged I am, then anything after that is going to be ignored So being called racist or hateful is enough to cancel their dialog, but those suffering under racism or hate must allow the dialog to continue > You can do any number of things, but one of them is not what amounts to a heckler's veto of a federal judge. They can, and they did > Judge Duncan is not my cup of tea, but this illiberal strain of "progressivism" is certainly not it either. Judge Duncan represents hate against women, gays, and transgender citizens https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/article_ad7a3a48-442c-11e8-b59c-77f6d9c9b3df.html https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/articl... > He’s built a lengthy and high-profile record of battling against gay, transgender and abortion rights, including defending abortion restrictions on behalf of the state of Louisiana. He also defended highly controversial voter ID laws in Texas and North Carolina and fought against gay marriage. We already know what he is going to say. He’s been able to argue in front of the Supreme Court. He can’t be cancelled. His words are literal law. He gets to say whatever he wants from a lifetime appointment to the federal judiciary.

yodon 4y ago

>As a reasonably well-educated conservative ... Why am I going to take lessons ... from those who judge me entirely on my skin color and my gender? It is so depressing to hear well-educated conservatives act as if the primary racism in this country is directed against conservatives. Is some racism directed against self described well educated conservatives? Certainly. Is the amount of racism directed against well educated conservatives within even an order of magnitude of the racism directed at Black, Latino, and Asian individuals regardless of political leaning or educational level? Far greater self-reflection is needed on the part of those who believe it is. The experiences you are having as a self described well-educated conservative who is encountering racism directed at you should give you empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates than you do, because these experiences that are new for you are not new for them.

mustache_kimono 4y ago
> It is so depressing to hear well-educated conservatives act as if the primary racism in this country is directed against conservatives. Certainly not as conservative as the poster, but that's not what they said. They seemed to indicate that it's hypocritical to call someone a racist solely on the basis of their race, and I agree. > The experiences you are having as a self described well-educated conservative who is encountering racism directed at you should give you empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates than you do Why are we to suppose the OP doesn't have empathy for those who experience racism at much higher rates? It sounds like you're not listening to them, in fact imagining they hold views it's not clear they hold. They are saying it's hard to listen to anyone when they are calling you racist, sexist, homo/transphobic when you're not, or when someone chooses to talk about your race or other essential characteristic, rather than your ideas. Consider for a moment the OP didn't come here to explain who has it worse. Perhaps they are trying to explain that they are more interested in ideas than struggle sessions. Again, I agree.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > They are saying it's hard to listen to anyone when they are calling you racist, sexist, homo/transphobic when you're not, It’s not. Maybe they should toughen up a little bit. > or when someone chooses to talk about your race or other essential characteristic, rather than your ideas. Some states in the US want to tell adults how to dress based on the characteristics of their private parts. What are your conservative ideas about that ?
  - mustache_kimono 4y ago
    > Maybe they should toughen up a little bit. Not listening when someone wrongly labels you and calls you names seems like a healthy response? At least compared to losing your mind in front of a federal judge? > Some states in the US want to tell adults how to dress based on the characteristics of their private parts. Yeah, that's not good. But I'd imagine law students losing their cool over a judge whose rulings never touch that particular trans issue make it less likely Americans give these draconian and illiberal laws a second thought. So -- nice job, goofball. You've stepped on our collective dicks and proven how ridiculous progressives can be once again. Love nothing more than you proving how impotent and self important we can be.

foogazi 4y ago

> When the “debate” includes some form of how racist or transphobic, or hateful, or privileged I am Aren’t you privileged though ? Suffering racism hurts more than being called racist - those are not the same The slaves owned by Thomas Jefferson suffered more by his enslavement than Thomas Jefferson when his statues are torn down - and yet conservative people complain a lot more about the latter

mustache_kimono 4y ago
> Suffering racism hurts more than being called racist - those are not the same First -- no one said this. No one has made the argument that suffering racism isn't awful. You hold a mistaken and caricatured view of most conservatives. Second -- it's not a particularly conservative value to want to hear what a federal judge has to say to a classroom of law students. If you absolutely can't stand what a judge has to say, try to a form a question that might confound the judge, and which might demonstrate why you think they are wrong. That's one remedy for a law student. You can also choose not to attend. You can attend, and hold up a sign that shows your discontent. You can do any number of things, but one of them is not what amounts to a heckler's veto of a federal judge. Why? Because it's important liberal judges can speak to law students in Nebraska and Oklahoma and Mississippi without being shouted down. Because, although you may have already made up your mind about everything, persuasion, reasoned debate, and an open exchange of ideas matters to others of us. It's profoundly selfish to make the choice for me about what speech I should be able to listen to. Judge Duncan is not my cup of tea, but this illiberal strain of "progressivism" is certainly not it either.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > No one has made the argument that suffering racism isn't awful. gp I responded to stated: > When the “debate” includes some form of how racist or transphobic, or hateful, or privileged I am, then anything after that is going to be ignored So being called racist or hateful is enough to cancel their dialog, but those suffering under racism or hate must allow the dialog to continue > You can do any number of things, but one of them is not what amounts to a heckler's veto of a federal judge. They can, and they did > Judge Duncan is not my cup of tea, but this illiberal strain of "progressivism" is certainly not it either. Judge Duncan represents hate against women, gays, and transgender citizens https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/article_ad7a3a48-442c-11e8-b59c-77f6d9c9b3df.html https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/articl... > He’s built a lengthy and high-profile record of battling against gay, transgender and abortion rights, including defending abortion restrictions on behalf of the state of Louisiana. He also defended highly controversial voter ID laws in Texas and North Carolina and fought against gay marriage. We already know what he is going to say. He’s been able to argue in front of the Supreme Court. He can’t be cancelled. His words are literal law. He gets to say whatever he wants from a lifetime appointment to the federal judiciary.