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Can you please specify at least a part or two that you specifically feel are sarcastic? The author doesn't seem to like the movie but I feel like the majority o

by gleenn 4y ago

Can you please specify at least a part or two that you specifically feel are sarcastic? The author doesn't seem to like the movie but I feel like the majority of the comments are quite factual or seem like straightforward opinion.

knaik94 4y ago
The part of the review where it says "he must have never in his life seen a flick about any small towns" could be classified as sarcastic. The reviewer also says "you should watch the movie" if you are curious about the ending, but the overall intent of the review seems to be the opposite.
- hn_go_brrrrr 4y ago
  I would call that acerbic. There's none of the reversal in sense I expect to see in sarcasm.
  - sdenton4 4y ago
    in 2023 the goalposts on agi have moved far enough that we are in the bleachers arguing about whether a model was correct to classify a movie review as sarcastic, when it may have merely been acerbic.
deadpannini 4y ago
The opening qualifies as sarcastic: > I am so happy not to live in an American small town. Because whenever I'm shown some small town in the States it is populated with all kinds of monsters among whom flesh hungry zombies, evil aliens and sinister ghosts are most harmless. Mocking irony, in the context of a negative review.
- gleenn 4y ago
  Sarcasm is saying one thing and meaning the opposite. If monsters are most harmless, then also not wanting to live there makes logical sense and isn't backwards. So that's straightforward mockery, not sarcastic.
  - ajross 4y ago
    > Sarcasm is saying one thing and meaning the opposite. What I find fascinating here is how generative AI has inverted all our sci-fi tropes. I mean, sure: you're right! That's the way "sarcasm" is defined in most dictionaries. But you and I both know that as the language is actually used, the term means a whole host of techniques used to convey negative emotional content in language that is not directly negative. Your (correct!) dictionary pedantry isn't interesting to me. We've been here before. But GPT-4 wasn't trained on dictionary rules. It was trained on actual language. And it's actually better at inferring this stuff than the pedants are. Our introvert brains have trouble teasing meaning like this and have to hide behind rules and structure. The computer doesn't. To wit: the robot is us.
    - gleenn 4y ago
      But I'm not being a pedant, we're measuring sarcasm. Someone has to clearly define it to judge the AI. If everyone in these threads thinks sarcasm is anything "negative" then they are wrong. That would be a negative sentiment classification. You have to be clear with what you're measuring.

by gleenn 4y ago

knaik94 4y ago

The part of the review where it says "he must have never in his life seen a flick about any small towns" could be classified as sarcastic. The reviewer also says "you should watch the movie" if you are curious about the ending, but the overall intent of the review seems to be the opposite.

hn_go_brrrrr 4y ago
I would call that acerbic. There's none of the reversal in sense I expect to see in sarcasm.
- sdenton4 4y ago
  in 2023 the goalposts on agi have moved far enough that we are in the bleachers arguing about whether a model was correct to classify a movie review as sarcastic, when it may have merely been acerbic.

deadpannini 4y ago

The opening qualifies as sarcastic: > I am so happy not to live in an American small town. Because whenever I'm shown some small town in the States it is populated with all kinds of monsters among whom flesh hungry zombies, evil aliens and sinister ghosts are most harmless. Mocking irony, in the context of a negative review.

gleenn 4y ago
Sarcasm is saying one thing and meaning the opposite. If monsters are most harmless, then also not wanting to live there makes logical sense and isn't backwards. So that's straightforward mockery, not sarcastic.
- ajross 4y ago
  > Sarcasm is saying one thing and meaning the opposite. What I find fascinating here is how generative AI has inverted all our sci-fi tropes. I mean, sure: you're right! That's the way "sarcasm" is defined in most dictionaries. But you and I both know that as the language is actually used, the term means a whole host of techniques used to convey negative emotional content in language that is not directly negative. Your (correct!) dictionary pedantry isn't interesting to me. We've been here before. But GPT-4 wasn't trained on dictionary rules. It was trained on actual language. And it's actually better at inferring this stuff than the pedants are. Our introvert brains have trouble teasing meaning like this and have to hide behind rules and structure. The computer doesn't. To wit: the robot is us.
  - gleenn 4y ago
    But I'm not being a pedant, we're measuring sarcasm. Someone has to clearly define it to judge the AI. If everyone in these threads thinks sarcasm is anything "negative" then they are wrong. That would be a negative sentiment classification. You have to be clear with what you're measuring.