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Like most of the crap on tumblr/reddit, that sounds great as a screenshot but quickly breaks down if you spend 60 seconds thinking about it. - Who gets to defi

Like most of the crap on tumblr/reddit, that sounds great as a screenshot but quickly breaks down if you spend 60 seconds thinking about it. - Who gets to define intolerance? Is tolerance vs. intolerance binary (obviously not - it exists on a spectrum that's hard to define). - This completely overlooks the importance of dialogue/debate/negotiation. Pretty important for a functional democracy. - "Paradox of Tolerance" is basically just used by assholes to justify their intolerance of views they disagree with.

onos 4y ago
I guess it is a little hard to apply. Eg I thought at first they were saying we should stop tolerating these woke kids cause they’re intolerant. But maybe they meant it’s ok for the kids to block the conservatives cause they were bad first. If we can’t say who was first then … not a great rule. Maybe better to stick with “any infringement bad”
philsnow 4y ago
> "Paradox of Tolerance" is basically just used by assholes to justify their intolerance of views they disagree with. This is exactly it. The way the snippet defines things, whichever person calls the other (illicitly-)"intolerant" first gets to be (licitly-)intolerant of the other. It takes two to tango^W disagree.
syzarian 4y ago
The Taliban in Afghanistan think women should not be educated. I am intolerant of their views and look disdainfully upon them. This does not make me an asshole. Some views are repugnant enough to merit intolerance. Each person decides for themself whether or not a belief deserves to be met with intolerance. The Paradox of Tolerance can be used by assholes to justify their intolerance but it can also be used by people who are in the right. Perhaps in the present context at Stanford you should be tolerant of the intolerant lest you become one of the assholes.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  That opinion alone does not make you an asshole, however, how you engage with the idea and people who hold it may make you an asshole. If you go and kill 250k Afagan civilians in the name of intolerance, including women an children, you might be an asshole.

onos 4y ago

I guess it is a little hard to apply. Eg I thought at first they were saying we should stop tolerating these woke kids cause they’re intolerant. But maybe they meant it’s ok for the kids to block the conservatives cause they were bad first. If we can’t say who was first then … not a great rule. Maybe better to stick with “any infringement bad”

philsnow 4y ago

> "Paradox of Tolerance" is basically just used by assholes to justify their intolerance of views they disagree with. This is exactly it. The way the snippet defines things, whichever person calls the other (illicitly-)"intolerant" first gets to be (licitly-)intolerant of the other. It takes two to tango^W disagree.

syzarian 4y ago

The Taliban in Afghanistan think women should not be educated. I am intolerant of their views and look disdainfully upon them. This does not make me an asshole. Some views are repugnant enough to merit intolerance. Each person decides for themself whether or not a belief deserves to be met with intolerance. The Paradox of Tolerance can be used by assholes to justify their intolerance but it can also be used by people who are in the right. Perhaps in the present context at Stanford you should be tolerant of the intolerant lest you become one of the assholes.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
That opinion alone does not make you an asshole, however, how you engage with the idea and people who hold it may make you an asshole. If you go and kill 250k Afagan civilians in the name of intolerance, including women an children, you might be an asshole.