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I thought it was legal to film police?

culi 4y ago
Especially in your own house... The funny thing is this is basically the exact same story for J. Cole's "Neighbors" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY Basically he moved to a new bougie neighborhood and the neighbors called the cops on him accusing him of "selling dope" (the primary hook of the 1 minute song). So he took his security footage and made a music video out of it You can see the SWAT team members casually talking to the neighbors peeking over the fence too lol
- irrational 4y ago
  > bougie Is this a misspelling (perhaps purposefully?) of “bourgeoisie”?
  - wahern 4y ago
    It's a slang term more common (IME) in speech than writing: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bougie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bougie
  - jcpham2 4y ago
    Yes this is exactly the slang
  - defrost 4y ago
    See Also: Boujee Natives by Snotty Nose Rez Kids
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    it’s a shortened version of it common in the US to describe people who’s style/taste/mannerisms are upper middle class.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  You forget the part where the overweight officer takes a sneak at the desserts to um.. check for cocaine?
aaomidi 4y ago
There have been states trying to ban it
- drewcoo 4y ago
  That is American privacy! Evidence of illegal search made illegal because blue camera shyness matters.
- indymike 4y ago
  It will be difficult for states to ban something that is protected by the constitution. Public servants doing public service have zero expectation of privacy and citizens have and absolute right to photograph and record them.
  - glenda 4y ago
    Many states aren't outright banning it, but making filming from "too close" a form of interference.
    - ffhhj 4y ago
      Picking an officer's head with a big ass pole microphone is not acceptable? Not standing close.
    - indymike 4y ago
      > but making filming from "too close" a form of interference. They are trying to, but these laws will likely fail to be constitutional because so far they are completely arbitrary and do not respect freedom of press.
  - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    Some states already require two party consent for recordings. Ohio isn't one of them.
    - kube-system 4y ago
kube-system 4y ago
The article doesn’t read as if they are claiming they were filmed illegally. It looks mostly like a claim about using their likeness commercially —- their personality rights. i.e. the rights someone would sign over in a modeling contract. …Like how you can’t put Tom Hanks face on a box of cigarettes and sell it without permission. He may sue and claim that you’ve tarnished his image. But yeah, it’s a stretch here too given the circumstances, but these laws vary by state so I have no clue how this state handles it.
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  That's ridiculous. If someone breaks into a house, the homeowner has the right to do whatever they want with the video, including monetizing it. Especially since they stole from him and damaged his property.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    I agree with what you’re saying but not the reason. The actions of the police don’t grant Afroman any additional rights. He had the right (at least to the music video) regardless of whether the police were right or wrong. I believe the reason he has a right to publish this work is because he is not profiting from their likeness. He is profiting from his work of criticism. (Edit: a sibling comment points out that Ohio exempts audiovisual and political works) Also, as a public servant in official duty, in a place where they found themselves likely to be recorded, they had no reasonable expectation of privacy.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    If someone breaks into a house, the homeowner has the right to do whatever they want with the video, including monetizing it I disagree, mostly because it isn't hard to get fringe cases. Drunk folks, folks with memory issues, and so on. Even if they break in, I don't think this is the sort of thing they should face public ridicule for. I think the homeowner has the right because the folks breaking in are cops. If a cop cannot handle these facets of their job being public, they should act better. A cop in uniform is a public figure, even if they are in a private residence. An ununiformed cop is a public figure if they are doing cop stuff, especially if they are in your house. They should be acting like someone is always watching. They should be able to handle being told bad words from people. They should be expected to always act professional. That is part of the standard we set for call center employees, after all, and we should expect folks that can ruin other people's lives to live up to better standards.
denton-scratch 4y ago
I guess the "damages" claims don't arise from filming them, but from making the video public. Still, it seems to me (IANAL) that the suit doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell. In particular, they reckon their damages not based on any actual damage, but on the earnings Afroman made from publicising them. Well, that's what the report says; but it's from The Grauniad, and the quality of reporting in that organ has been declining rather quickly (whatever Wikipedia says about "reliable sources").

culi 4y ago

Especially in your own house... The funny thing is this is basically the exact same story for J. Cole's "Neighbors" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY Basically he moved to a new bougie neighborhood and the neighbors called the cops on him accusing him of "selling dope" (the primary hook of the 1 minute song). So he took his security footage and made a music video out of it You can see the SWAT team members casually talking to the neighbors peeking over the fence too lol

irrational 4y ago
> bougie Is this a misspelling (perhaps purposefully?) of “bourgeoisie”?
- wahern 4y ago
  It's a slang term more common (IME) in speech than writing: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bougie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bougie
- jcpham2 4y ago
  Yes this is exactly the slang
- defrost 4y ago
  See Also: Boujee Natives by Snotty Nose Rez Kids
- edgyquant 4y ago
  it’s a shortened version of it common in the US to describe people who’s style/taste/mannerisms are upper middle class.
calvinmorrison 4y ago
You forget the part where the overweight officer takes a sneak at the desserts to um.. check for cocaine?

aaomidi 4y ago

There have been states trying to ban it

drewcoo 4y ago
That is American privacy! Evidence of illegal search made illegal because blue camera shyness matters.
indymike 4y ago
It will be difficult for states to ban something that is protected by the constitution. Public servants doing public service have zero expectation of privacy and citizens have and absolute right to photograph and record them.
- glenda 4y ago
  Many states aren't outright banning it, but making filming from "too close" a form of interference.
  - ffhhj 4y ago
    Picking an officer's head with a big ass pole microphone is not acceptable? Not standing close.
  - indymike 4y ago
    > but making filming from "too close" a form of interference. They are trying to, but these laws will likely fail to be constitutional because so far they are completely arbitrary and do not respect freedom of press.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  Some states already require two party consent for recordings. Ohio isn't one of them.
  - kube-system 4y ago

kube-system 4y ago

The article doesn’t read as if they are claiming they were filmed illegally. It looks mostly like a claim about using their likeness commercially —- their personality rights. i.e. the rights someone would sign over in a modeling contract. …Like how you can’t put Tom Hanks face on a box of cigarettes and sell it without permission. He may sue and claim that you’ve tarnished his image. But yeah, it’s a stretch here too given the circumstances, but these laws vary by state so I have no clue how this state handles it.

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
That's ridiculous. If someone breaks into a house, the homeowner has the right to do whatever they want with the video, including monetizing it. Especially since they stole from him and damaged his property.
- kube-system 4y ago
  I agree with what you’re saying but not the reason. The actions of the police don’t grant Afroman any additional rights. He had the right (at least to the music video) regardless of whether the police were right or wrong. I believe the reason he has a right to publish this work is because he is not profiting from their likeness. He is profiting from his work of criticism. (Edit: a sibling comment points out that Ohio exempts audiovisual and political works) Also, as a public servant in official duty, in a place where they found themselves likely to be recorded, they had no reasonable expectation of privacy.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  If someone breaks into a house, the homeowner has the right to do whatever they want with the video, including monetizing it I disagree, mostly because it isn't hard to get fringe cases. Drunk folks, folks with memory issues, and so on. Even if they break in, I don't think this is the sort of thing they should face public ridicule for. I think the homeowner has the right because the folks breaking in are cops. If a cop cannot handle these facets of their job being public, they should act better. A cop in uniform is a public figure, even if they are in a private residence. An ununiformed cop is a public figure if they are doing cop stuff, especially if they are in your house. They should be acting like someone is always watching. They should be able to handle being told bad words from people. They should be expected to always act professional. That is part of the standard we set for call center employees, after all, and we should expect folks that can ruin other people's lives to live up to better standards.

denton-scratch 4y ago

I guess the "damages" claims don't arise from filming them, but from making the video public. Still, it seems to me (IANAL) that the suit doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell. In particular, they reckon their damages not based on any actual damage, but on the earnings Afroman made from publicising them. Well, that's what the report says; but it's from The Grauniad, and the quality of reporting in that organ has been declining rather quickly (whatever Wikipedia says about "reliable sources").