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I wouldn't recommend this unless the previous public school experience was hellish for the kid. Honestly, home-schooling is such a weird, american idea. Like al

by tpmx 4y ago

I wouldn't recommend this unless the previous public school experience was hellish for the kid. Honestly, home-schooling is such a weird, american idea. Like all things american, it's spreading though.

enlyth 4y ago
Agreed, the most valuable skill learned in school is how to socialize.
- wincy 4y ago
  Right, like I learned how to get kicked onto the ground at recess and to make sure not to get up until they were good and done kicking or I’d get a black eye. Or my wife learned to get back rubs from her male teacher in middle school. All very important parts of the socialization process.
  - alex_lav 4y ago
    It's definitely feeling in this thread like learning to "socialize" is A.) Always positive, and B.) a fixed, shared experience We must force kids through
    - throwanem 4y ago
      Now that's something I would expect to see a European call an American idea. Go figure, I suppose.
    - wincy 4y ago
      Right. Based on how awful my school experience was, and my wife’s, even though she could be working and commanding a similar salary to mine, we’re home schooling both of our kids. Our older daughter is the most popular kid in the neighborhood. Everyone wants to play with her. Because she’s home school, she went over and helped a little girl who was just adopted and hasn’t started school yet feel right at home the other day. Our other daughter is physically disabled and could hold her breath and die at any moment. If she was forced to go to a public school I have no doubt she’d be in the emergency room or worse within the course of a week.
- margorczynski 4y ago
  For some it is a hellhole that pushes them to commit suicide or at least attempt it. Thankfully that is not my experience but we shouldn't ignore the bad examples of "socializing" in school and potential solutions to it.
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  Considering I was bullied by children, teachers, and staff until I was suicidal most of fourth grade, I have my doubts. I was moved to a different school but it couldn’t undo the damaged that caused. I didn’t learn how to socialize until my second year of college. It wasn’t until my thirties that much of the psychological damage was revealed and addressed.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    I'm sorry to hear that, but that's just an anecdote. I've never been bullied, only attended public schools, and the idea of home schooling a kid is just beyond weird. It's not even legal where I'm from(Poland) and I believe for very good reasons.
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- Syonyk 4y ago
  > ...how to socialize. Ah, yes. The "Socialization" argument brought up every time people mention homeschooling, as though there aren't homeschool coops and plenty of other ways to interact with people of a wide variety of ages, instead of just your own age. And if you drill down, it usually ends up being some version of "Well, I had to deal with the fact that other kids are little shits for 12+ years, so everyone else should have to as well." In my experience, homeschooled kids are "a bit weird" as kids, but tend to interact smoothly with a far wider variety of ages, and they tend to not stand out as anything different as adults - except perhaps a lot more interested in longer form learning. If I run into someone who's got an oddly wide range of skills, odds are good they were homeschooled.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  If you homeschool then your kids can have friends with people older and younger than them and aren't subject to bullying. Isn't that more healthy than having your kid only exposed to people of exactly the same age and maturity level, and potentially develop issues from bullying?
- pacomerh 4y ago
  For some reason people think homeschooling means never seeing and socializing with other kids, which is definitely not the case. I feel like people think it's a pandemic type situation. It's not as simple as go to school and learn to socialize period. Not all kids are the same, not all families are the same, for some it works for some others it's a ridiculous idea.
overboard2 4y ago
https://youtu.be/4LpY3FKyYbA https://youtu.be/4LpY3FKyYbA
gautamdivgi 4y ago
Elementary school is generally a great time for kids to make friends and generally goof off. I have a 2nd grader and 6th graders. Both really happy and it’s public school. 6th grader will head to jr high (we do k-6 elementary) so have to see how that goes. I don’t have complaints against public schools. Both my kids look forward to going.
sneak 4y ago
Home schooling isn't weird; it was the default for most of human history.
- vel0city 4y ago
  Indoor plumbing wasn't the norm for most of human history. I'd still think it weird if people started digging latrines in their backyards.
- Bouncingsoul1 4y ago
  yeah... and also for the most part is was default to not be able to read and write. Rising literacy levels can be directly linked to the funding of schools in the 18-20th century.
misssocrates 4y ago
Isn't the industrial state school model outdated by at least 50 years? What can't you learn with books, Khan Academy, Youtube, ChatGPT? Socialization you can get anywhere. From her list: Forest School, Badminton, Swimming, Football, Gymnastics, Annual membership to Paradise Park, Annual membership to Drusillas Park
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  What can I learn at an industrialized school that I couldn't otherwise? I definitely would have never learned about that 9/11 suicide compilation video a kid at school showed me.
HideousKojima 4y ago
Yes, better to leave your child's education to the state, the state would never think to damage family cohesion or try to undermine any ideas that pose a threat to its power.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  In school I also learned that peace is an unnatural state for human society. And that war is a constant threat to our relationship with others. So, to achieve peace, we have to create it ourselves. Crying about it won't bring it about, or make it last. Each one of us must go and seek it out.
- warbeforepeace 4y ago
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alex_lav 4y ago
What's weird about it?
Amezarak 4y ago
I don't have strong feelings on the subject, but I find it bizarre that you'd find what most people traditionally did for almost all of human history up to a little more than the last century a "weird, American idea." And you get most of the rest by counting "just a few kids from the local area" rather than a mass state-sponsored institution.
jojobas 4y ago
Unschooling is not home-schooling. Homeschooling typically means one of the parents or somebody in a pool of families follows some kind of curriculum still, unschooling expects kids to learn from... something.
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freehorse 4y ago
Honestly, all this sounds such an american, middle class thing: the public X is shit, and everything is up to the individual. I am not saying public education is great where I grew up, and I can definitely imagine doing what I wanted being better in many ways (anyway this is how it turned out to be in last classes in practice more or less), what I cannot imagine is my working class parents handling that situation, esp with like 5 kids, as they worked jobs that involved being in their workplace for 8 hours per day, and they could not get away with working for 1-3 hours on a laptop here and there and wherever the kids' activities were supposed to be. But that is also not taking into account other things, like providing intellectual stimulation/mentors in areas where the parents are not experts/educated, which sometimes is not trivial. And while schools are indeed a hit and miss in this stuff, ime private tutoring is usually not a better choice (and adds up in the bill essentially). This could be solved in different ways granted a wide and strong social circle/community, but that is probably not what all this is about in the land of individualism.

by tpmx 4y ago

enlyth 4y ago

Agreed, the most valuable skill learned in school is how to socialize.

wincy 4y ago
Right, like I learned how to get kicked onto the ground at recess and to make sure not to get up until they were good and done kicking or I’d get a black eye. Or my wife learned to get back rubs from her male teacher in middle school. All very important parts of the socialization process.
- alex_lav 4y ago
  It's definitely feeling in this thread like learning to "socialize" is A.) Always positive, and B.) a fixed, shared experience We must force kids through
  - throwanem 4y ago
    Now that's something I would expect to see a European call an American idea. Go figure, I suppose.
  - wincy 4y ago
    Right. Based on how awful my school experience was, and my wife’s, even though she could be working and commanding a similar salary to mine, we’re home schooling both of our kids. Our older daughter is the most popular kid in the neighborhood. Everyone wants to play with her. Because she’s home school, she went over and helped a little girl who was just adopted and hasn’t started school yet feel right at home the other day. Our other daughter is physically disabled and could hold her breath and die at any moment. If she was forced to go to a public school I have no doubt she’d be in the emergency room or worse within the course of a week.
margorczynski 4y ago
For some it is a hellhole that pushes them to commit suicide or at least attempt it. Thankfully that is not my experience but we shouldn't ignore the bad examples of "socializing" in school and potential solutions to it.
kayodelycaon 4y ago
Considering I was bullied by children, teachers, and staff until I was suicidal most of fourth grade, I have my doubts. I was moved to a different school but it couldn’t undo the damaged that caused. I didn’t learn how to socialize until my second year of college. It wasn’t until my thirties that much of the psychological damage was revealed and addressed.
- gambiting 4y ago
  I'm sorry to hear that, but that's just an anecdote. I've never been bullied, only attended public schools, and the idea of home schooling a kid is just beyond weird. It's not even legal where I'm from(Poland) and I believe for very good reasons.
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Syonyk 4y ago
> ...how to socialize. Ah, yes. The "Socialization" argument brought up every time people mention homeschooling, as though there aren't homeschool coops and plenty of other ways to interact with people of a wide variety of ages, instead of just your own age. And if you drill down, it usually ends up being some version of "Well, I had to deal with the fact that other kids are little shits for 12+ years, so everyone else should have to as well." In my experience, homeschooled kids are "a bit weird" as kids, but tend to interact smoothly with a far wider variety of ages, and they tend to not stand out as anything different as adults - except perhaps a lot more interested in longer form learning. If I run into someone who's got an oddly wide range of skills, odds are good they were homeschooled.
hackerlight 4y ago
If you homeschool then your kids can have friends with people older and younger than them and aren't subject to bullying. Isn't that more healthy than having your kid only exposed to people of exactly the same age and maturity level, and potentially develop issues from bullying?
pacomerh 4y ago
For some reason people think homeschooling means never seeing and socializing with other kids, which is definitely not the case. I feel like people think it's a pandemic type situation. It's not as simple as go to school and learn to socialize period. Not all kids are the same, not all families are the same, for some it works for some others it's a ridiculous idea.

overboard2 4y ago

https://youtu.be/4LpY3FKyYbA https://youtu.be/4LpY3FKyYbA

gautamdivgi 4y ago

Elementary school is generally a great time for kids to make friends and generally goof off. I have a 2nd grader and 6th graders. Both really happy and it’s public school. 6th grader will head to jr high (we do k-6 elementary) so have to see how that goes. I don’t have complaints against public schools. Both my kids look forward to going.

sneak 4y ago

Home schooling isn't weird; it was the default for most of human history.

vel0city 4y ago
Indoor plumbing wasn't the norm for most of human history. I'd still think it weird if people started digging latrines in their backyards.
Bouncingsoul1 4y ago
yeah... and also for the most part is was default to not be able to read and write. Rising literacy levels can be directly linked to the funding of schools in the 18-20th century.

misssocrates 4y ago

Isn't the industrial state school model outdated by at least 50 years? What can't you learn with books, Khan Academy, Youtube, ChatGPT? Socialization you can get anywhere. From her list: Forest School, Badminton, Swimming, Football, Gymnastics, Annual membership to Paradise Park, Annual membership to Drusillas Park

yamazakiwi 4y ago
What can I learn at an industrialized school that I couldn't otherwise? I definitely would have never learned about that 9/11 suicide compilation video a kid at school showed me.

HideousKojima 4y ago

Yes, better to leave your child's education to the state, the state would never think to damage family cohesion or try to undermine any ideas that pose a threat to its power.

Apocryphon 4y ago
In school I also learned that peace is an unnatural state for human society. And that war is a constant threat to our relationship with others. So, to achieve peace, we have to create it ourselves. Crying about it won't bring it about, or make it last. Each one of us must go and seek it out.
warbeforepeace 4y ago
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alex_lav 4y ago

What's weird about it?

Amezarak 4y ago

I don't have strong feelings on the subject, but I find it bizarre that you'd find what most people traditionally did for almost all of human history up to a little more than the last century a "weird, American idea." And you get most of the rest by counting "just a few kids from the local area" rather than a mass state-sponsored institution.

jojobas 4y ago

Unschooling is not home-schooling. Homeschooling typically means one of the parents or somebody in a pool of families follows some kind of curriculum still, unschooling expects kids to learn from... something.

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freehorse 4y ago

Honestly, all this sounds such an american, middle class thing: the public X is shit, and everything is up to the individual. I am not saying public education is great where I grew up, and I can definitely imagine doing what I wanted being better in many ways (anyway this is how it turned out to be in last classes in practice more or less), what I cannot imagine is my working class parents handling that situation, esp with like 5 kids, as they worked jobs that involved being in their workplace for 8 hours per day, and they could not get away with working for 1-3 hours on a laptop here and there and wherever the kids' activities were supposed to be. But that is also not taking into account other things, like providing intellectual stimulation/mentors in areas where the parents are not experts/educated, which sometimes is not trivial. And while schools are indeed a hit and miss in this stuff, ime private tutoring is usually not a better choice (and adds up in the bill essentially). This could be solved in different ways granted a wide and strong social circle/community, but that is probably not what all this is about in the land of individualism.