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> Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". TBH I think it is a much bigger problem that low-stakes hyper

by tqi 4y ago

> Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". TBH I think it is a much bigger problem that low-stakes hyper-local issues have been elevated into proxy battles for national politics. Truly, the fact that anyone who is not either attending or administering this university cares about their party policy at all (let alone enough to write about it professionally) is completely absurd.

testfoobar 4y ago
Stanford is an elite institution that others watch carefully. Administrators go to conferences & workshops to discuss their practices. They get promoted into positions at other universities. Stanford is a leading indicator of campus life elsewhere.
- tqi 4y ago
  Do you attend college parties, or administer a university?
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- fortuna86 4y ago
  > Stanford is a leading indicator of campus life elsewhere. It very much is not. Last party I went to at Stanford had corporate sponsorship.
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  - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
    Do house parties not exist at Stanford?
    - randycupertino 4y ago
      They certainly exist and are fun (as well as playing beer pong in the fountain) but it's nothing as wild as say ... Arizona State. source: went to big state university undergrad then 4 years at Stanford. Miles of difference in the party scenes. Stanford social scene: Beige Toyota Prius Big State U: Lime green Ferrari 250 GTO
      - red-iron-pine 4y ago
        U Texas football had tailgate parties that got sponsorship from several big named beer brands, hot dog companies.
        fortuna86 4y ago
        Right, the frat party I went to was sponsored by Microsoft and had Xbox stations. Different.
kryogen1c 4y ago
> low-stakes hyper-local What a terrible take. The entire purpose of college is to influence the minds that attend them before sending them out to further propagate those ideals into the world. Furthermore, this is an elite institution that ostensibly is training future leaders - the type of people most poised to spread influence.
- tqi 4y ago
  Your argument is basically the domino effect meme with Stanford Party Policy on one end and Global Culture on the other? I dunno about others but I definitely don't buy it - I think some people just like minding other people's business. To your point about training future leaders, there is a reason people don't start out training with live ammo. If every element of campus life could randomly and capriciously be escalated to the national stage, how could anyone possibly expect kids to learn how to take risks or make mistakes? (I believe this is true across the political spectrum) 20 years ago this would have been a heated discussion limited to the campus community, which to me at least held the possibility of the sides having empathy for each other. Now, with the polarized, dehumanized nature of our national discourse, I have no doubt that everyone will simply dig in.
  - kryogen1c 4y ago
    > Your argument is basically the domino effect meme with Stanford Party Policy on one end and Global Culture on the other? this is an exaggerated straw-man version of my argument, but yes. colleges are a training ground for young people during their formative years, a place we send them to intentionally change their personalities and come into their own being away from their parents. One college isnt going to topple the global culture, but calling bad things that happen at college "hyperlocal" is obviously wrong. > If every element of campus life could randomly and capriciously be escalated to the national stage, how could anyone possibly expect kids to learn how to take risks or make mistakes? i dont understand this argument. the article we're commenting on is about exactly this type of oppressive, no-mistakes, no-learning regime the college administration is creating. the media coverage isnt about highlighting mistakes students made; the media coverage is escalating to the national stage the exact thing youre complaining about. a girl got a conduct violation for intentionally spilling coffee and then killed herself.
seanhunter 4y ago
Exactly. This article is just culture war pearl-clutching at its very worst. Having students adhere to a campus policy when having parties on campus seems perfectly reasonable, and considered without the hyperbolic tone of the article, the policy itself seems fine in substance. If you didn't take into account that it is written for undergrads etc you might think it was strangely specific but then you realise these are people who in some cases have just left home. In an ideal world you could just have your policy be "don't be an idiot" but sadly the people who need that policy in the first place also need it spelled out for them in a little more detail.
lapinot 4y ago
No one cares about their party policy. This article is about how administration in universities are regularly harassing students. I france our uni look very much different, policy and structure-wise, and yet i can relate big time to this. I knew a lot of students who got harassed badly for tons of random reasons.
908B64B197 4y ago
>> Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". >> TBH I think it is a much bigger problem that low-stakes hyper-local issues have been elevated into proxy battles for national politics. Ironically, another hyper-local problem that's been elevated at the national level is the shoplifting epidemics that's happening not far from Stanford. I can't help but to be amazed at the completely different treatment a shoplifting thug will receive (absolutely no repercussion) vs a model Stanford student who has one (victimless) mishap (bullied to suicide by bureaucrats). Truly mind boggling.

by tqi 4y ago

testfoobar 4y ago

Stanford is an elite institution that others watch carefully. Administrators go to conferences & workshops to discuss their practices. They get promoted into positions at other universities. Stanford is a leading indicator of campus life elsewhere.

tqi 4y ago
Do you attend college parties, or administer a university?
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fortuna86 4y ago
> Stanford is a leading indicator of campus life elsewhere. It very much is not. Last party I went to at Stanford had corporate sponsorship.
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  [deleted]
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  Do house parties not exist at Stanford?
  - randycupertino 4y ago
    They certainly exist and are fun (as well as playing beer pong in the fountain) but it's nothing as wild as say ... Arizona State. source: went to big state university undergrad then 4 years at Stanford. Miles of difference in the party scenes. Stanford social scene: Beige Toyota Prius Big State U: Lime green Ferrari 250 GTO
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      U Texas football had tailgate parties that got sponsorship from several big named beer brands, hot dog companies.
      - fortuna86 4y ago
        Right, the frat party I went to was sponsored by Microsoft and had Xbox stations. Different.

kryogen1c 4y ago

> low-stakes hyper-local What a terrible take. The entire purpose of college is to influence the minds that attend them before sending them out to further propagate those ideals into the world. Furthermore, this is an elite institution that ostensibly is training future leaders - the type of people most poised to spread influence.

tqi 4y ago
Your argument is basically the domino effect meme with Stanford Party Policy on one end and Global Culture on the other? I dunno about others but I definitely don't buy it - I think some people just like minding other people's business. To your point about training future leaders, there is a reason people don't start out training with live ammo. If every element of campus life could randomly and capriciously be escalated to the national stage, how could anyone possibly expect kids to learn how to take risks or make mistakes? (I believe this is true across the political spectrum) 20 years ago this would have been a heated discussion limited to the campus community, which to me at least held the possibility of the sides having empathy for each other. Now, with the polarized, dehumanized nature of our national discourse, I have no doubt that everyone will simply dig in.
- kryogen1c 4y ago
  > Your argument is basically the domino effect meme with Stanford Party Policy on one end and Global Culture on the other? this is an exaggerated straw-man version of my argument, but yes. colleges are a training ground for young people during their formative years, a place we send them to intentionally change their personalities and come into their own being away from their parents. One college isnt going to topple the global culture, but calling bad things that happen at college "hyperlocal" is obviously wrong. > If every element of campus life could randomly and capriciously be escalated to the national stage, how could anyone possibly expect kids to learn how to take risks or make mistakes? i dont understand this argument. the article we're commenting on is about exactly this type of oppressive, no-mistakes, no-learning regime the college administration is creating. the media coverage isnt about highlighting mistakes students made; the media coverage is escalating to the national stage the exact thing youre complaining about. a girl got a conduct violation for intentionally spilling coffee and then killed herself.

seanhunter 4y ago

Exactly. This article is just culture war pearl-clutching at its very worst. Having students adhere to a campus policy when having parties on campus seems perfectly reasonable, and considered without the hyperbolic tone of the article, the policy itself seems fine in substance. If you didn't take into account that it is written for undergrads etc you might think it was strangely specific but then you realise these are people who in some cases have just left home. In an ideal world you could just have your policy be "don't be an idiot" but sadly the people who need that policy in the first place also need it spelled out for them in a little more detail.

lapinot 4y ago

No one cares about their party policy. This article is about how administration in universities are regularly harassing students. I france our uni look very much different, policy and structure-wise, and yet i can relate big time to this. I knew a lot of students who got harassed badly for tons of random reasons.

908B64B197 4y ago

>> Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". >> TBH I think it is a much bigger problem that low-stakes hyper-local issues have been elevated into proxy battles for national politics. Ironically, another hyper-local problem that's been elevated at the national level is the shoplifting epidemics that's happening not far from Stanford. I can't help but to be amazed at the completely different treatment a shoplifting thug will receive (absolutely no repercussion) vs a model Stanford student who has one (victimless) mishap (bullied to suicide by bureaucrats). Truly mind boggling.