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FYI I'm fine with someone disagreeing and down voting my comment, but I would appreciate some sort of response if you do. I'd like to know why you think I'm wro

by viggity 18y ago

FYI I'm fine with someone disagreeing and down voting my comment, but I would appreciate some sort of response if you do. I'd like to know why you think I'm wrong

DanielBMarkham 18y ago
Viggity, This is my only comment on the matter, and I comment because, this voting system makes no sense and it's hard to use it as a feedback device. People vote you up or down based on whether they want to look at your comment. This site is heavily Obama-ish -- I'm guessing 80% or so. There are some libertarians such as myself rambling around. Probably some Republicans too, but they're deep into some sort of witness protection program I guess. :) You won't get a conversation. They'll just keep voting your comments into the mud. Stupid, huh?
- sc 18y ago
  Libertarian beliefs do not presuppose a lack of Obama support.
  - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
    Agreed. Nor do they indicate a lack of McCain support. That's why I love libertarians -- we're such a pain in the ass to everybody else.
- yummyfajitas 18y ago
  I'll come out of the closet: I'm a Republican. [Note: this post is poorly written from here on. Ignore it. I feel like fixing it would be rude to the responder, since it would make his post look nonsensical.] Not going to vote tomorrow, though. My feeling is that more voters gives the process legitimacy, and I don't want to contribute that.
  - jncraton 18y ago
    This is just an honest question. If you aren't a fan of the political system, why do you affiliate yourself with a political party?
    - yummyfajitas 18y ago
      Sorry, my statement was poorly written, a weird agglomeration of the two thoughts running through my head at the time I wrote it. My bad. Let me fix: >Not going to vote tomorrow, though. My feeling is that more voters gives the winner legitimacy and a mandate, and since I hate the winner, I don't want to do that. Anyway, I affiliate myself with the republicans because I agree with a many of their (old school, not Bush-era) positions. I also tend to vote republican in local races since NY/NJ democrats are hopelessly corrupt. However, since I now live in Harlem, even voting in local races is pointless.
mynameishere 18y ago
Here's how you're wrong: Obama's platform is, for the most part, not that bad. The only real way to attack Obama is by guessing at what his real policies will be. This is very tricky and (to people with an existing predisposition) completely invalid. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=302137342405551 http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?seci... Obama's sympathies are not just "redistributionist" but genuinely communistic. His racial views are consistently nationalistic. Consistently. But...until he actually wields power (he has voted "present" over 100 times in his short Senate career) it's all speculation. McCain, by constrast, would be crustily predictable.
msg 18y ago
"I understand the realities of having a progressive tax system, but Obama crosses a line with me when he is going to tax the rich just to hand it straight over to everyone else in $1000 cash increments." We've all been funneling money into the pockets of rich people since the Bush tax cuts passed. McCain wants to extend them. For me, Obama is not so much crossing the line as uncrossing it. Taking a policy like tax policy out of the historical context, you will always be able to label tax increases as socialist and tax decreases as anarchical. These labels mean nothing and pollute the discourse. The correct question to ask is, what have our previous budget priorities taught us that we can use going forward? Should we, for instance, continue supply-side economics and the dogmas of market deregulation? All politics about anything is about the redistribution of wealth. (I didn't vote down your comment, incidentally. I reserve downvotes for forum abuse.)

by viggity 18y ago

FYI I'm fine with someone disagreeing and down voting my comment, but I would appreciate some sort of response if you do. I'd like to know why you think I'm wrong

DanielBMarkham 18y ago

Viggity, This is my only comment on the matter, and I comment because, this voting system makes no sense and it's hard to use it as a feedback device. People vote you up or down based on whether they want to look at your comment. This site is heavily Obama-ish -- I'm guessing 80% or so. There are some libertarians such as myself rambling around. Probably some Republicans too, but they're deep into some sort of witness protection program I guess. :) You won't get a conversation. They'll just keep voting your comments into the mud. Stupid, huh?

sc 18y ago
Libertarian beliefs do not presuppose a lack of Obama support.
- DanielBMarkham 18y ago
  Agreed. Nor do they indicate a lack of McCain support. That's why I love libertarians -- we're such a pain in the ass to everybody else.
yummyfajitas 18y ago
I'll come out of the closet: I'm a Republican. [Note: this post is poorly written from here on. Ignore it. I feel like fixing it would be rude to the responder, since it would make his post look nonsensical.] Not going to vote tomorrow, though. My feeling is that more voters gives the process legitimacy, and I don't want to contribute that.
- jncraton 18y ago
  This is just an honest question. If you aren't a fan of the political system, why do you affiliate yourself with a political party?
  - yummyfajitas 18y ago
    Sorry, my statement was poorly written, a weird agglomeration of the two thoughts running through my head at the time I wrote it. My bad. Let me fix: >Not going to vote tomorrow, though. My feeling is that more voters gives the winner legitimacy and a mandate, and since I hate the winner, I don't want to do that. Anyway, I affiliate myself with the republicans because I agree with a many of their (old school, not Bush-era) positions. I also tend to vote republican in local races since NY/NJ democrats are hopelessly corrupt. However, since I now live in Harlem, even voting in local races is pointless.

mynameishere 18y ago

Here's how you're wrong: Obama's platform is, for the most part, not that bad. The only real way to attack Obama is by guessing at what his real policies will be. This is very tricky and (to people with an existing predisposition) completely invalid. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=302137342405551 http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?seci... Obama's sympathies are not just "redistributionist" but genuinely communistic. His racial views are consistently nationalistic. Consistently. But...until he actually wields power (he has voted "present" over 100 times in his short Senate career) it's all speculation. McCain, by constrast, would be crustily predictable.

msg 18y ago

"I understand the realities of having a progressive tax system, but Obama crosses a line with me when he is going to tax the rich just to hand it straight over to everyone else in $1000 cash increments." We've all been funneling money into the pockets of rich people since the Bush tax cuts passed. McCain wants to extend them. For me, Obama is not so much crossing the line as uncrossing it. Taking a policy like tax policy out of the historical context, you will always be able to label tax increases as socialist and tax decreases as anarchical. These labels mean nothing and pollute the discourse. The correct question to ask is, what have our previous budget priorities taught us that we can use going forward? Should we, for instance, continue supply-side economics and the dogmas of market deregulation? All politics about anything is about the redistribution of wealth. (I didn't vote down your comment, incidentally. I reserve downvotes for forum abuse.)