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> You have to add 'Fiscal' to conservative before it begins to represent an actual viewpoint instead of a tribal marker. > You're free to call yourself whateve

by verall 4y ago

> You have to add 'Fiscal' to conservative before it begins to represent an actual viewpoint instead of a tribal marker. > You're free to call yourself whatever you will, but it's undeniable that left/right, conservative, progressive, etc, are so broad that they're identities instead of platforms I think we _almost_ agree here, except that they are both identities and platforms. > "The left" is a label people adopt, "the right" is how they label everyone they disagree with. Do you feel this is unique to "The left"? > including actual literal pedophiles trying to remove age of consent laws in order to "queer children before they are stifled by the patriarchy" You've gone off the rails my dude, and I have no reason to believe you are communicating with a modicum of good faith anymore. Keep investigating, just remember, they're watching you, just waiting for you to make a small misstep. They want to take away your freedom. They want to turn your children gay. They track your phone location. Stay vigilant. They are always watching.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
> Do you feel this is unique to "The left"? No, the right is defined by the left, but woke is defined by the people who oppose it, etc. It's one of many. Conservative and liberal are a circle jerk where each is an identity and a slur to threaten dissidents with. (Despite Liberal, at least, having deeper roots than are currently meant by those who use it, it's now meaningless in most places.) The left is perhaps a bit worse than some identities for being communist, and being used to explaining millions of deaths in terms of progress... Left/right bothers me even more than liberal/conservative though because it's a reductive lens that people try to push onto everyone around despite it having little to no historical impact on most of them. > You've gone off the rails my dude, and I have no reason to believe you are communicating with a modicum of good faith anymore. It's a mere search away but that's just it. I could guarantee that you weren't going to go look because you don't want it to be true. It's a giant umbrella of things nobody is really happy with so nobody looks carefully. Pedophile leanings of left: https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-french-bohemian-elite-celebrated-predatory-behaviour https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-french-bohemian-elite-celebra... Actual government policy impact: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp... I'm not really talking about actual leftists who embrace their ideology but shrill ideologues with identities and how the term is incorrectly used by many, even for themselves. And it isn't that this specific philosophy is bad, though it seems so, but that it's more officially a leftist platform than a lot of what people would think is. That most supposed leftists wouldn't support this, if asked away from their peers, is the point. > I think we _almost_ agree here, except that they are both identities and platforms. Sure, then I'm just saying that leftist, conservative, etc, are all the way at the 'almost entirely an identity with almost no connection to policy' and 'fiscal conservative' is perhaps roughly in the middle, and some sort of hypothetical amazing group may exist which is vastly more focused on policy than identity. > Keep investigating, just remember, they're watching you, just waiting for you to make a small misstep. They want to take away your freedom. They want to turn your children gay. They track your phone location. Stay vigilant. They are always watching. That's pretty funny considering you're the one talking about good faith. And yes, hello. They do track our phones. Congratulations on conflating a huge issue of national security with your identity politics.
- verall 4y ago
  Those articles are really not relevant to the conversation, because yet again, the left in {{CURRENTYEAR}} is not defined by these people from the 20th century. > some sort of hypothetical amazing group may exist which is vastly more focused on policy than identity I think you should look for it. I honestly can't think of anything that would meet your standard. > And yes, hello. They do track our phones. I mean they track you personally. They are always watching. Be careful out there!
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    > I mean they track you personally. They are always watching. Be careful out there! Your defensiveness hides some of the only truth in your post. Yes brother, they personally track all of us. Do you think this is good? Have you thought of asking someone why you answer honesty with scorn and sarcasm? > the left in {{CURRENTYEAR}} is not defined by these people from the 20th century. Ho ho. That's like saying communism isn't influenced by Marx because he's dead. If anyone reads any leftist philosophy that's what they're getting. Who do you think the left's thought leaders are then, and how do they repudiate the past wrong-think or do they pretend it's not there? For instance, if you read some of the earlier American political leaders they were racist and owned slaves, and now their parties repudiate these views and actions. Where are the leftists that disclaim forced collectivism and the rest of the centuries of nonsense, if you want to tell me that the movement changed? Last I looked though, socialists and communists are still a central part of the movement. > > more focused on policy than identity > I think you should look for it. I honestly can't think of anything that would meet your standard. That's easy - community groups of citizens motivated to fix something. You aren't worrying about a name and national attention and the intellectual legacy of your team, you're just a bunch of parents doing what needs to be done. It gets rarer the further you go from the individuals.

by verall 4y ago

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago

> Do you feel this is unique to "The left"? No, the right is defined by the left, but woke is defined by the people who oppose it, etc. It's one of many. Conservative and liberal are a circle jerk where each is an identity and a slur to threaten dissidents with. (Despite Liberal, at least, having deeper roots than are currently meant by those who use it, it's now meaningless in most places.) The left is perhaps a bit worse than some identities for being communist, and being used to explaining millions of deaths in terms of progress... Left/right bothers me even more than liberal/conservative though because it's a reductive lens that people try to push onto everyone around despite it having little to no historical impact on most of them. > You've gone off the rails my dude, and I have no reason to believe you are communicating with a modicum of good faith anymore. It's a mere search away but that's just it. I could guarantee that you weren't going to go look because you don't want it to be true. It's a giant umbrella of things nobody is really happy with so nobody looks carefully. Pedophile leanings of left: https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-french-bohemian-elite-celebrated-predatory-behaviour https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-french-bohemian-elite-celebra... Actual government policy impact: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp... I'm not really talking about actual leftists who embrace their ideology but shrill ideologues with identities and how the term is incorrectly used by many, even for themselves. And it isn't that this specific philosophy is bad, though it seems so, but that it's more officially a leftist platform than a lot of what people would think is. That most supposed leftists wouldn't support this, if asked away from their peers, is the point. > I think we _almost_ agree here, except that they are both identities and platforms. Sure, then I'm just saying that leftist, conservative, etc, are all the way at the 'almost entirely an identity with almost no connection to policy' and 'fiscal conservative' is perhaps roughly in the middle, and some sort of hypothetical amazing group may exist which is vastly more focused on policy than identity. > Keep investigating, just remember, they're watching you, just waiting for you to make a small misstep. They want to take away your freedom. They want to turn your children gay. They track your phone location. Stay vigilant. They are always watching. That's pretty funny considering you're the one talking about good faith. And yes, hello. They do track our phones. Congratulations on conflating a huge issue of national security with your identity politics.

verall 4y ago
Those articles are really not relevant to the conversation, because yet again, the left in {{CURRENTYEAR}} is not defined by these people from the 20th century. > some sort of hypothetical amazing group may exist which is vastly more focused on policy than identity I think you should look for it. I honestly can't think of anything that would meet your standard. > And yes, hello. They do track our phones. I mean they track you personally. They are always watching. Be careful out there!
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  > I mean they track you personally. They are always watching. Be careful out there! Your defensiveness hides some of the only truth in your post. Yes brother, they personally track all of us. Do you think this is good? Have you thought of asking someone why you answer honesty with scorn and sarcasm? > the left in {{CURRENTYEAR}} is not defined by these people from the 20th century. Ho ho. That's like saying communism isn't influenced by Marx because he's dead. If anyone reads any leftist philosophy that's what they're getting. Who do you think the left's thought leaders are then, and how do they repudiate the past wrong-think or do they pretend it's not there? For instance, if you read some of the earlier American political leaders they were racist and owned slaves, and now their parties repudiate these views and actions. Where are the leftists that disclaim forced collectivism and the rest of the centuries of nonsense, if you want to tell me that the movement changed? Last I looked though, socialists and communists are still a central part of the movement. > > more focused on policy than identity > I think you should look for it. I honestly can't think of anything that would meet your standard. That's easy - community groups of citizens motivated to fix something. You aren't worrying about a name and national attention and the intellectual legacy of your team, you're just a bunch of parents doing what needs to be done. It gets rarer the further you go from the individuals.