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His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries

by nsajko 4y ago

His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

arcticbull 4y ago
I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.
- nsajko 4y ago
  See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state > A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more [...]
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Yep they're not the same, but usually the head of government is the head of state in presidential systems. [edit] In fact... "President is a common title for the head of state in most republics. The president of a nation is, generally speaking, the head of the government and the fundamental leader of the country or the ceremonial head of state." [1] Anyways interesting stuff. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title)
    - tasuki 4y ago
      Yes, in presidential systems, sure. But who was talking about those here? Montenegro is a parliamentary republic, and vast majority of Europe is either a parliamentary republic or a constitutional monarchy [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/File:Forms_of_government_2021.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/Fil...
      - arcticbull 4y ago
        I didn’t say anyone was wrong, it was just an observation. Either way the only delta is that I would consider the head of state more important/powerful than the head of government who is more active. Just a perspective thing.
- touisteur 4y ago
  Only in France? In Germany, Poland, Portugal (for example) power is mostly concentrated in PM role.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Russia post-2000 is another example, though in that case it is probably more accurate to say power is mostly concentrated in Putin whether he is PM or President, not a particular office.
    - 0x457 4y ago
      Russia didn't have PM at all until Putin decided to work around the constitution.
- bilekas 4y ago
  In Ireland at least the president is 90%< symbolic.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Usually, in a system with both, the Prime Minister is head of government (which is more powerful) and the President is head of state which typically has ceremonial precedence but less practical power. There's considerable variations, though, and some starkly exceptional Presidential systems that have an official called a Prime Minister (having both is more typical of a parliamentary republic).
  - skissane 4y ago
    Contemporary republics exist in three main forms: 1. Presidential republics - President is both head of state and head of government. No Prime Minister. Examples: US, most Latin American countries 2. Parliamentary republics - President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. President is mostly a symbolic figurehead with little real power; if they have any real power at all, it is generally only exercisable in times of constitutional crisis. Examples: Ireland, Malta, Germany, Austria, Israel 3. Semi-presidential republics. President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. Both have real substantive powers. Often, the PM is in charge of domestic policy, the President is in charge of military and foreign affairs. Examples: France, Russia, Finland (traditionally at least, it has been becoming more parliamentary) Montenegro is officially considered parliamentary not semipresidential. However, the boundary between the two is not always clearcut - there is a near infinity of ways to divide power between a President and PM, and some parliamentary republics have much more powerful presidents than others There are also oddball republics which don’t fit into any of those categories, like Switzerland (collective head of state) or San Marino (two equal heads of state at the same time)
medo-bear 4y ago
> The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful Montenegro is definitely not like many other European countries. If anything it is like a region of one European country, namely Sicily https://www.occrp.org/en/poy/2015/ https://www.occrp.org/en/poy/2015/ https://leaderssummit.medium.com/joe-biden-milo-djukanovic-the-mafia-state-of-montenegro-and-propping-up-corruption-in-the-48cfd1712c4c https://leaderssummit.medium.com/joe-biden-milo-djukanovic-t...

by nsajko 4y ago

arcticbull 4y ago

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

nsajko 4y ago
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state > A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more [...]
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Yep they're not the same, but usually the head of government is the head of state in presidential systems. [edit] In fact... "President is a common title for the head of state in most republics. The president of a nation is, generally speaking, the head of the government and the fundamental leader of the country or the ceremonial head of state." [1] Anyways interesting stuff. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title)
  - tasuki 4y ago
    Yes, in presidential systems, sure. But who was talking about those here? Montenegro is a parliamentary republic, and vast majority of Europe is either a parliamentary republic or a constitutional monarchy [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/File:Forms_of_government_2021.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/Fil...
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      I didn’t say anyone was wrong, it was just an observation. Either way the only delta is that I would consider the head of state more important/powerful than the head of government who is more active. Just a perspective thing.
touisteur 4y ago
Only in France? In Germany, Poland, Portugal (for example) power is mostly concentrated in PM role.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Russia post-2000 is another example, though in that case it is probably more accurate to say power is mostly concentrated in Putin whether he is PM or President, not a particular office.
  - 0x457 4y ago
    Russia didn't have PM at all until Putin decided to work around the constitution.
bilekas 4y ago
In Ireland at least the president is 90%< symbolic.
dragonwriter 4y ago
Usually, in a system with both, the Prime Minister is head of government (which is more powerful) and the President is head of state which typically has ceremonial precedence but less practical power. There's considerable variations, though, and some starkly exceptional Presidential systems that have an official called a Prime Minister (having both is more typical of a parliamentary republic).
- skissane 4y ago
  Contemporary republics exist in three main forms: 1. Presidential republics - President is both head of state and head of government. No Prime Minister. Examples: US, most Latin American countries 2. Parliamentary republics - President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. President is mostly a symbolic figurehead with little real power; if they have any real power at all, it is generally only exercisable in times of constitutional crisis. Examples: Ireland, Malta, Germany, Austria, Israel 3. Semi-presidential republics. President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. Both have real substantive powers. Often, the PM is in charge of domestic policy, the President is in charge of military and foreign affairs. Examples: France, Russia, Finland (traditionally at least, it has been becoming more parliamentary) Montenegro is officially considered parliamentary not semipresidential. However, the boundary between the two is not always clearcut - there is a near infinity of ways to divide power between a President and PM, and some parliamentary republics have much more powerful presidents than others There are also oddball republics which don’t fit into any of those categories, like Switzerland (collective head of state) or San Marino (two equal heads of state at the same time)

medo-bear 4y ago

> The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful Montenegro is definitely not like many other European countries. If anything it is like a region of one European country, namely Sicily https://www.occrp.org/en/poy/2015/ https://www.occrp.org/en/poy/2015/ https://leaderssummit.medium.com/joe-biden-milo-djukanovic-the-mafia-state-of-montenegro-and-propping-up-corruption-in-the-48cfd1712c4c https://leaderssummit.medium.com/joe-biden-milo-djukanovic-t...