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Not OP, but in my case, I'd love an HS part without a dGPU. I'm typing this on a 5650U and its integrated GPU is overkill for what I do. Hell, until a year ago,

Not OP, but in my case, I'd love an HS part without a dGPU. I'm typing this on a 5650U and its integrated GPU is overkill for what I do. Hell, until a year ago, I used to daily drive an i5-6500 with an HD530 with a 4k display and I never felt limited by the GPU. But I do use the CPU from time to time, so a beefier part would be useful. I would rather not pay for a dGPU which I'd use maybe 1% of the time, and which would cost more and weigh more and possibly be a PITA to manage under Linux.

brucethemoose2 4y ago
I dunno, as time goes on I am wanting to do more and more on the GPU. Last gen it was media processing and upscaling, now its running Stable Diffusion and other Generative AI. But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  > But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster. Indeed. I've been looking at the 12th gen laptops we're getting at work, but those were underwhelming. I don't remember which model CPU it was, but it only had 2 P cores (those are basically for "office work", so no one cares about performance). For compilation (Rust) it was in the same ballpark as my 11th gen i7 (so 4 "regular" cores + HT). For basic day-to-day work, they both felt the same. As you say, I'd expect a part with more P cores to be interesting for my use case, which is exactly the same as your sibling's [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246
znpy 4y ago
i don't play videogames and i don't do ai/ml, video editing or whatever. i spend most of my time in firefox and in terminals. i do use virtual machines quite a lot to test stuff around, so high cores count and high memory would be a plus for me. but an nvidia gpu is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want it. I don't need it, i don't use it, it just makes the whole thing less usable. and it draws a lot power that i'd prefer using otherwise. the intel integrated gpu is not only sufficient for me, i actually WANT it. it just works under gnu/linux and i don't have to mess with drivers. I cannot stress enough how much i hate having to deal with proprietary drivers. and last time i played a videogame, it was openarena, and it ran beautifully on the intel hd 600 my work laptop had (dell latitude 7390, great little machine). edit: regarding amd gpus... i'm not sure. i've been told they work with open source drivers, but still it's a power usage i would happily avoid.
- brucethemoose2 4y ago
  I mean, in a laptop, you dont use the dGPU on battery unless its for compute, period. It should just be sitting there turned off (which indeed means you dont want it). But if its sucking any power, thats a bug. That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels.
  - deaddodo 4y ago
    That is not how GPU multiplexing works on Laptops. My dGPU most certainly works on battery, though I can directly disable it if I like (or use a power saving power plan).
    - znpy 4y ago
      yes but then again... it's a landmine. For example, I could disable the nvidia card on my ThinkPad W530, but then i'd lose the use of the external video output (because it was wired to the nvidia card). and yes i know it depends on whether the laptop has a mux or not... it's not always easy to determine, not all reviews go explicitly over this detail... I just don't want a discrete graphics card. Not an nVidia one for sure.
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      It works, but it sucks power like no tomorrow if it actually stays on. Its basically unusable if you want more than hour or two of battery life (or you use it in short bursts for compute).
  - znpy 4y ago
    > That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels. i have strongs doubts the doxygen webpages i spend time on will get any faster with an nvidia 3090.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago

brucethemoose2 4y ago

I dunno, as time goes on I am wanting to do more and more on the GPU. Last gen it was media processing and upscaling, now its running Stable Diffusion and other Generative AI. But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster.

vladvasiliu 4y ago
> But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster. Indeed. I've been looking at the 12th gen laptops we're getting at work, but those were underwhelming. I don't remember which model CPU it was, but it only had 2 P cores (those are basically for "office work", so no one cares about performance). For compilation (Rust) it was in the same ballpark as my 11th gen i7 (so 4 "regular" cores + HT). For basic day-to-day work, they both felt the same. As you say, I'd expect a part with more P cores to be interesting for my use case, which is exactly the same as your sibling's [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246

znpy 4y ago

i don't play videogames and i don't do ai/ml, video editing or whatever. i spend most of my time in firefox and in terminals. i do use virtual machines quite a lot to test stuff around, so high cores count and high memory would be a plus for me. but an nvidia gpu is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want it. I don't need it, i don't use it, it just makes the whole thing less usable. and it draws a lot power that i'd prefer using otherwise. the intel integrated gpu is not only sufficient for me, i actually WANT it. it just works under gnu/linux and i don't have to mess with drivers. I cannot stress enough how much i hate having to deal with proprietary drivers. and last time i played a videogame, it was openarena, and it ran beautifully on the intel hd 600 my work laptop had (dell latitude 7390, great little machine). edit: regarding amd gpus... i'm not sure. i've been told they work with open source drivers, but still it's a power usage i would happily avoid.

brucethemoose2 4y ago
I mean, in a laptop, you dont use the dGPU on battery unless its for compute, period. It should just be sitting there turned off (which indeed means you dont want it). But if its sucking any power, thats a bug. That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels.
- deaddodo 4y ago
  That is not how GPU multiplexing works on Laptops. My dGPU most certainly works on battery, though I can directly disable it if I like (or use a power saving power plan).
  - znpy 4y ago
    yes but then again... it's a landmine. For example, I could disable the nvidia card on my ThinkPad W530, but then i'd lose the use of the external video output (because it was wired to the nvidia card). and yes i know it depends on whether the laptop has a mux or not... it's not always easy to determine, not all reviews go explicitly over this detail... I just don't want a discrete graphics card. Not an nVidia one for sure.
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    It works, but it sucks power like no tomorrow if it actually stays on. Its basically unusable if you want more than hour or two of battery life (or you use it in short bursts for compute).
- znpy 4y ago
  > That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels. i have strongs doubts the doxygen webpages i spend time on will get any faster with an nvidia 3090.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago