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restricting children's access to sexually suggestive books in tax payer funded schools seems appropriate. the media/press is trying to malign one side into bein

restricting children's access to sexually suggestive books in tax payer funded schools seems appropriate. the media/press is trying to malign one side into being against free speech and pro-censorship, which is so ironic ... more culture war BS all around

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fknorangesite 4y ago
Where "sexually suggestive" usually means "mentioning the mere existence of sexual orientations other than 'heterosexual'".
mrguyorama 4y ago
If you think books talking about a kid having gay parents are sexually suggestive, the problem is with you, not the books.
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago
  Of course. Except the books being removed from school libraries are more like "Gender Queer", which includes a page showing two minors giving a blowjob and doesn't cover anything. Why do you think minors need hardcore porn in the libraries so badly?
  - Eumenes 4y ago
    this
  - huimang 4y ago
    Any reasonable person can agree with literal porn being banned. What percentage, exactly, is porn out of all the books being banned? The thing is that LGBT+ content tends to be conflated with sexual content. We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because they're obscene. They're being banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics, with flimsy excuses.
    - kelipso 4y ago
      > We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics. They're being banned because they contain obscene sexually explicit material in them. Seems just as reasonable... So no, not clear at all.
  - a_shovel 4y ago
    The fundamental dishonesty of these book bans is conflating books with sexual content with "hardcore pornography". These bans are happening in high school. Be honest with yourself and admit what you already know: High schoolers are horny. Restricting them from books that discuss sexuality in a realistic way, combined with "abstinence only" sex education still common in these places, makes it more likely that their first exposure with sexual media is actual hardcore pornography, and I don't feel like I need to explain to you why that's bad.
    - taxyz 4y ago
      What’s your limiting principle here? Should schools also carry old Playboy magazines? They’re less sexually explicit than drawings of two underage kids blowing each other. Are the straight kids not horny? Should there also be straight porn in schools? You can’t just drop sexually explicit images in a book then cry afoul when parents and taxpayers don’t want it in their public schools. They didn’t allow hustler and playboy and they’re trying to not allow this. They have a pretty consistent standard unlike the groups that advocate for such material to be made available to kids and teens.
      - antifa 4y ago
        > Should schools also carry old Playboy magazines? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such a blatently dishonest comparison?
        taxyz 4y ago
        Yeah nice try, buddy. If I post the blowjob scene from Gender Queer here u/dang is going to ban my account, but you’re free to google it and say whether or not it’s more explicit than a woman baring her breast. While we’re at it, how un-feminist and objectifying to imply that a woman’s body should be overly sexualized. Isn’t treating men’s and women’s nipples differently how we train kids to objectify women? If anything we need more Playboy in schools to destigmatize a women’s bare body. #FreeTheNipple
- pyuser583 4y ago
  Are you saying there aren’t any age-inappropriate, sexually explicit books in school? Because what I’m seeing on social media is parents at school board meetings reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms. Is that not a thing? I mean, I only see it on social media, so it could me disinformation? Is it disinformation?
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
    > reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms Can you be specific?
    - copper-float 4y ago
      > > reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms > Can you be specific? Here's an example. https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/knox-zajac-reads-aloud-from-pornographic-book-at-school-board-meeting/ https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/knox-zajac-reads-aloud-from-po...
wizofaus 4y ago
Is there evidence sexually suggestive material has a negative effect on kids? Which specific books did you have in mind anyway?
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago
  Do you really want to be the person playing devils advocate with showing porn to children?
  - tzs 4y ago
    He asks a good question. Back before the internet it was pretty normal for some kid now and then to manage to swipe one of his dad’s issues of Playboy or Penthouse and share it with the other kids in their neighborhood. So we have plenty of experience that says seeing the occasional sexually explicit photo or drawing doesn’t harm kids.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    Can you give an example of sexually suggestive writing that you would classify as "porn"? "Explicit" is quite different to "suggestive".
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      Hmm, seems "porn" really does mean something different in the US...https://news.artnet.com/art-world/florida-western-civ-fired-principal-michelangelo-david-2275019 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/florida-western-civ-fired-...
- akomtu 4y ago
  We could also argue whether teaching about the "benefits" of dog eating would have negative effects. The goal of such "educators" is to uproot the morals early and normalize the abnormal things.
  - geon 4y ago
    What’s wrong with eating dogs?

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fknorangesite 4y ago

Where "sexually suggestive" usually means "mentioning the mere existence of sexual orientations other than 'heterosexual'".

mrguyorama 4y ago

If you think books talking about a kid having gay parents are sexually suggestive, the problem is with you, not the books.

eldritch_4ier 4y ago
Of course. Except the books being removed from school libraries are more like "Gender Queer", which includes a page showing two minors giving a blowjob and doesn't cover anything. Why do you think minors need hardcore porn in the libraries so badly?
- Eumenes 4y ago
  this
- huimang 4y ago
  Any reasonable person can agree with literal porn being banned. What percentage, exactly, is porn out of all the books being banned? The thing is that LGBT+ content tends to be conflated with sexual content. We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because they're obscene. They're being banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics, with flimsy excuses.
  - kelipso 4y ago
    > We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics. They're being banned because they contain obscene sexually explicit material in them. Seems just as reasonable... So no, not clear at all.
- a_shovel 4y ago
  The fundamental dishonesty of these book bans is conflating books with sexual content with "hardcore pornography". These bans are happening in high school. Be honest with yourself and admit what you already know: High schoolers are horny. Restricting them from books that discuss sexuality in a realistic way, combined with "abstinence only" sex education still common in these places, makes it more likely that their first exposure with sexual media is actual hardcore pornography, and I don't feel like I need to explain to you why that's bad.
  - taxyz 4y ago
    What’s your limiting principle here? Should schools also carry old Playboy magazines? They’re less sexually explicit than drawings of two underage kids blowing each other. Are the straight kids not horny? Should there also be straight porn in schools? You can’t just drop sexually explicit images in a book then cry afoul when parents and taxpayers don’t want it in their public schools. They didn’t allow hustler and playboy and they’re trying to not allow this. They have a pretty consistent standard unlike the groups that advocate for such material to be made available to kids and teens.
    - antifa 4y ago
      > Should schools also carry old Playboy magazines? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such a blatently dishonest comparison?
      - taxyz 4y ago
        Yeah nice try, buddy. If I post the blowjob scene from Gender Queer here u/dang is going to ban my account, but you’re free to google it and say whether or not it’s more explicit than a woman baring her breast. While we’re at it, how un-feminist and objectifying to imply that a woman’s body should be overly sexualized. Isn’t treating men’s and women’s nipples differently how we train kids to objectify women? If anything we need more Playboy in schools to destigmatize a women’s bare body. #FreeTheNipple
pyuser583 4y ago
Are you saying there aren’t any age-inappropriate, sexually explicit books in school? Because what I’m seeing on social media is parents at school board meetings reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms. Is that not a thing? I mean, I only see it on social media, so it could me disinformation? Is it disinformation?
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  > reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms Can you be specific?
  - copper-float 4y ago
    > > reading NC-17 level books that are in their elementary school kids classrooms > Can you be specific? Here's an example. https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/knox-zajac-reads-aloud-from-pornographic-book-at-school-board-meeting/ https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/knox-zajac-reads-aloud-from-po...

wizofaus 4y ago

Is there evidence sexually suggestive material has a negative effect on kids? Which specific books did you have in mind anyway?

eldritch_4ier 4y ago
Do you really want to be the person playing devils advocate with showing porn to children?
- tzs 4y ago
  He asks a good question. Back before the internet it was pretty normal for some kid now and then to manage to swipe one of his dad’s issues of Playboy or Penthouse and share it with the other kids in their neighborhood. So we have plenty of experience that says seeing the occasional sexually explicit photo or drawing doesn’t harm kids.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  Can you give an example of sexually suggestive writing that you would classify as "porn"? "Explicit" is quite different to "suggestive".
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    Hmm, seems "porn" really does mean something different in the US...https://news.artnet.com/art-world/florida-western-civ-fired-principal-michelangelo-david-2275019 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/florida-western-civ-fired-...
akomtu 4y ago
We could also argue whether teaching about the "benefits" of dog eating would have negative effects. The goal of such "educators" is to uproot the morals early and normalize the abnormal things.
- geon 4y ago
  What’s wrong with eating dogs?