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I doubt the DEI mob will stand down, this will just embolden them and escalate future confrontations I see mention of "free speech training"...the school shoul

I doubt the DEI mob will stand down, this will just embolden them and escalate future confrontations I see mention of "free speech training"...the school should expect this to turn into a complete circus countdown until students demand a resignation letter from the Dean also the tide will turn one day, but the mob is going to go scorched earth first

nostromo 4y ago
People just need to not give a shit about mobs. Who cares if students are angry? They’re just students. If they can’t behave themselves, kick them out.
- majormajor 4y ago
  "If we don't like your speech about other's speech we'll kick you out"?
  - nostromo 4y ago
    The students are all free to give their own lectures disagreeing with the judge. They are not free to scream and yell like children so that nobody can hear his talk. Freedom of speech is also the freedom to read and the freedom to listen. Those students were acting as censors, not as protesters.
    - majormajor 4y ago
      It's hard for me to take seriously complaints about mobs from the party/church of generations of anti-abortion or anti-LBGTQ or anti-integration mobs. I grew up in that world, these are their own tactics, I recognize them well. It's not about principles, those are just used as tactics, it's about power. Seems like they're just pissy about the fact that the pro-LBGTQ mobs now are so much larger than their old Westboro baptist ones and such. Tragic, truly. But we want to allow those protests but think a Federal Judge needs special protection from being yelled at? He can grow some thick skin, it's just words. I might be inclined to revisit this opinion once anyone on that side starts actually holding people like Donald Trump to any such standards of decorum. Hell, just Trump - let's just see it done with him, let's ignore all the other right-wing instigators and clowns. Until that happens, let's not insist that one side fight with one arm behind their back when the same tactics are widely employed on the right. Cause that's all this is: whining about decorum in the interest of gaining an edge. People trying to lay rules on top of "free speech" because they don't actually believe it's applicable universally everywhere. While simultaneously claiming it as a holy principle when convenient. "Free speech for me, not for thee." "Freedom to listen" or whatever is just editorializing; it ain't in the First Amendment. Hey, maybe we can trade - we'll add freedom to be listened to, but we'll also remove the right to bear arms outside of the military?
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
        << Until that happens, let's not insist that one side fight with one arm behind their back when the same tactics are widely employed on the right. What are you proposing here exactly? Drop all the rules until everyone behaves?
        majormajor 4y ago
        I really just want to see people drop the pretense. So back when I was in a far-right school, they had a clever trick for making sure speakers with different views didn't get heckled: they didn't invite them in the first place. Why expose your flock to a literal agent of evil, after all. It's clever! You avoid the ugly scene by removing even the ability for "free speech" you don't like! So in a country where that level of indoctrination and control of information is common and uncontroversial - indeed, often lobbied for through looser restrictions around charter and private schools and opposition to public schools - why am I supposed to be upset with the students at Stanford disagreeing with others and with administrators over who needs help spreading their views? Let's paint the full picture, instead. Currently in the US one side is ruthless and result-oriented and the other is prone to tripping over their own feet PR-wise in ways that the other party/church doesn't get called out on. The younger people on the left have seen that, and are bringing some of the same methods into their toolbox. And the right has the balls to call them out on it?
        A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
        << I really just want to see people drop the pretense. I posit to you that pretense, and I am not really joking, is one the few things that is keeping this civilization going. I personally would like the pretense to go on.
      - nostromo 4y ago
        Your thinking has been completely overtaken by tribalism. "We can be bad now because other people have been bad in the past." Note that you excuse bad behavior from Stanford Law Students because of the Westboro Baptist Church. The former are some of the most powerful people in the world. The latter are hated by everyone and taken seriously by no one.

nostromo 4y ago

People just need to not give a shit about mobs. Who cares if students are angry? They’re just students. If they can’t behave themselves, kick them out.

majormajor 4y ago
"If we don't like your speech about other's speech we'll kick you out"?
- nostromo 4y ago
  The students are all free to give their own lectures disagreeing with the judge. They are not free to scream and yell like children so that nobody can hear his talk. Freedom of speech is also the freedom to read and the freedom to listen. Those students were acting as censors, not as protesters.
  - majormajor 4y ago
    It's hard for me to take seriously complaints about mobs from the party/church of generations of anti-abortion or anti-LBGTQ or anti-integration mobs. I grew up in that world, these are their own tactics, I recognize them well. It's not about principles, those are just used as tactics, it's about power. Seems like they're just pissy about the fact that the pro-LBGTQ mobs now are so much larger than their old Westboro baptist ones and such. Tragic, truly. But we want to allow those protests but think a Federal Judge needs special protection from being yelled at? He can grow some thick skin, it's just words. I might be inclined to revisit this opinion once anyone on that side starts actually holding people like Donald Trump to any such standards of decorum. Hell, just Trump - let's just see it done with him, let's ignore all the other right-wing instigators and clowns. Until that happens, let's not insist that one side fight with one arm behind their back when the same tactics are widely employed on the right. Cause that's all this is: whining about decorum in the interest of gaining an edge. People trying to lay rules on top of "free speech" because they don't actually believe it's applicable universally everywhere. While simultaneously claiming it as a holy principle when convenient. "Free speech for me, not for thee." "Freedom to listen" or whatever is just editorializing; it ain't in the First Amendment. Hey, maybe we can trade - we'll add freedom to be listened to, but we'll also remove the right to bear arms outside of the military?
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
      << Until that happens, let's not insist that one side fight with one arm behind their back when the same tactics are widely employed on the right. What are you proposing here exactly? Drop all the rules until everyone behaves?
      - majormajor 4y ago
        I really just want to see people drop the pretense. So back when I was in a far-right school, they had a clever trick for making sure speakers with different views didn't get heckled: they didn't invite them in the first place. Why expose your flock to a literal agent of evil, after all. It's clever! You avoid the ugly scene by removing even the ability for "free speech" you don't like! So in a country where that level of indoctrination and control of information is common and uncontroversial - indeed, often lobbied for through looser restrictions around charter and private schools and opposition to public schools - why am I supposed to be upset with the students at Stanford disagreeing with others and with administrators over who needs help spreading their views? Let's paint the full picture, instead. Currently in the US one side is ruthless and result-oriented and the other is prone to tripping over their own feet PR-wise in ways that the other party/church doesn't get called out on. The younger people on the left have seen that, and are bringing some of the same methods into their toolbox. And the right has the balls to call them out on it?
        A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
        << I really just want to see people drop the pretense. I posit to you that pretense, and I am not really joking, is one the few things that is keeping this civilization going. I personally would like the pretense to go on.
    - nostromo 4y ago
      Your thinking has been completely overtaken by tribalism. "We can be bad now because other people have been bad in the past." Note that you excuse bad behavior from Stanford Law Students because of the Westboro Baptist Church. The former are some of the most powerful people in the world. The latter are hated by everyone and taken seriously by no one.