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Missing is all the bans for classics like "To Kill a Mockingbird" which enraged history revisionists with older-language. This article tries to frame the data t

Missing is all the bans for classics like "To Kill a Mockingbird" which enraged history revisionists with older-language. This article tries to frame the data that the majority of book cancellations were targeting LBGTQ books but forgets to mention the banning of classic literature.

tstrimple 4y ago
It's because the majority of book cancellations are targeting LGBTQ books or books talking about issues minorities have to deal with. To Kill a Mockingbird is one book out of hundreds being banned. https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/16/22979747/book-bans-are-the-new-front-in-the-culture-wars-whats-really-going-on-maus-to-kill-a-mockingbird https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/16/22979747/book-bans-are-the... > At first blush, the reports could seem sensational, a narrative driven by political campaigns that could be decided in schools. But the growth in efforts to suppress books is real. Last November, the American Library Association warned of “widespread efforts to censor books in U.S. schools and libraries,” while The New York Times reported that the association received “330 reports of book challenges” — attempts to remove books from library shelves and classroom curricula — last fall. For comparison, the association reported about 240 book challenges in the entire year of 2017. ... > Beyond school board meetings, where parents, students or teachers can voice their concerns, the movement to restrict material has spread to state legislatures. One Texas Republican, Matt Krause, recently released a list of 850 books that “might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress because of their race or sex.” Krause asked schools to investigate whether they possessed copies.
- profeaturo 4y ago
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  - tstrimple 4y ago
    Yes, kids learning about gay people is so traumatizing for them that gay rights must be stripped to protect the children. This is totally a rational line of thought often held by people who in no way are bigoted against LGBT folk.
    - profeaturo 4y ago
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    - LocalH 4y ago
      Those like the person you responded to are against any representation of LGBTQ people in society. They like to throw around words like "groomers" and "agenda", but they don't care that they're trying to do the same thing to queer people. They truly believe things like "people are not born gay, God doesn't make people gay". They truly believe that the only reason people are gay is because "someone taught them to". They truly believe that all people are born straight. Thus, they believe that any representation of queerness is an affront to nature, whatever that means. They still claim to this day that there is no queerness in nature. They don't care that the science points to structured and informed transition being the best option for many trans people. They don't want there to be any trans people. There's no science behind the right-wing view, just hate and bigotry. They think that people are going online, watching a few TikTok videos, and suddenly saying "I'm trans! I want surgery and hormone blockers now!" when that is quite literally never the case. These are kids who are already internally struggling with their own gender feelings versus their body, and there are two types of responses. Loving parents accept their kids for who they are, and assure them that they will always be loved. Parents who are more worried about being "embarrassed" or "ungodly" will tend to suppress this instead, attempting to force the kid into their mold, instead of allowing their kid to be their true self. These are people who were most likely prevented from learning actual critical thinking skills. They honestly don't understand how to think things through with logic, instead they inject their emotions into the issue, and you can never effectively fight emotion with logic. Logic can't be made "more logical", but emotional appeals can sure be made "more emotional", so emotion often wins out. Emotion is a quite visceral thing that we don't even fully understand. I'm certain that we feel emotion before we even exit the womb, long before any notion of logic could even exist for us. I don't have an answer, but it's clear that these people simply do not care about the life experience of the "other", and in this case the "other" is the queer population.
Eumenes 4y ago
restricting children's access to sexually suggestive books in tax payer funded schools seems appropriate. the media/press is trying to malign one side into being against free speech and pro-censorship, which is so ironic ... more culture war BS all around
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- fknorangesite 4y ago
  Where "sexually suggestive" usually means "mentioning the mere existence of sexual orientations other than 'heterosexual'".
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  If you think books talking about a kid having gay parents are sexually suggestive, the problem is with you, not the books.
  - eldritch_4ier 4y ago
    Of course. Except the books being removed from school libraries are more like "Gender Queer", which includes a page showing two minors giving a blowjob and doesn't cover anything. Why do you think minors need hardcore porn in the libraries so badly?
    - Eumenes 4y ago
      this
    - huimang 4y ago
      Any reasonable person can agree with literal porn being banned. What percentage, exactly, is porn out of all the books being banned? The thing is that LGBT+ content tends to be conflated with sexual content. We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because they're obscene. They're being banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics, with flimsy excuses.
th13row 4y ago
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tstrimple 4y ago

It's because the majority of book cancellations are targeting LGBTQ books or books talking about issues minorities have to deal with. To Kill a Mockingbird is one book out of hundreds being banned. https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/16/22979747/book-bans-are-the-new-front-in-the-culture-wars-whats-really-going-on-maus-to-kill-a-mockingbird https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/16/22979747/book-bans-are-the... > At first blush, the reports could seem sensational, a narrative driven by political campaigns that could be decided in schools. But the growth in efforts to suppress books is real. Last November, the American Library Association warned of “widespread efforts to censor books in U.S. schools and libraries,” while The New York Times reported that the association received “330 reports of book challenges” — attempts to remove books from library shelves and classroom curricula — last fall. For comparison, the association reported about 240 book challenges in the entire year of 2017. ... > Beyond school board meetings, where parents, students or teachers can voice their concerns, the movement to restrict material has spread to state legislatures. One Texas Republican, Matt Krause, recently released a list of 850 books that “might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress because of their race or sex.” Krause asked schools to investigate whether they possessed copies.

profeaturo 4y ago
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- tstrimple 4y ago
  Yes, kids learning about gay people is so traumatizing for them that gay rights must be stripped to protect the children. This is totally a rational line of thought often held by people who in no way are bigoted against LGBT folk.
  - profeaturo 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - LocalH 4y ago
    Those like the person you responded to are against any representation of LGBTQ people in society. They like to throw around words like "groomers" and "agenda", but they don't care that they're trying to do the same thing to queer people. They truly believe things like "people are not born gay, God doesn't make people gay". They truly believe that the only reason people are gay is because "someone taught them to". They truly believe that all people are born straight. Thus, they believe that any representation of queerness is an affront to nature, whatever that means. They still claim to this day that there is no queerness in nature. They don't care that the science points to structured and informed transition being the best option for many trans people. They don't want there to be any trans people. There's no science behind the right-wing view, just hate and bigotry. They think that people are going online, watching a few TikTok videos, and suddenly saying "I'm trans! I want surgery and hormone blockers now!" when that is quite literally never the case. These are kids who are already internally struggling with their own gender feelings versus their body, and there are two types of responses. Loving parents accept their kids for who they are, and assure them that they will always be loved. Parents who are more worried about being "embarrassed" or "ungodly" will tend to suppress this instead, attempting to force the kid into their mold, instead of allowing their kid to be their true self. These are people who were most likely prevented from learning actual critical thinking skills. They honestly don't understand how to think things through with logic, instead they inject their emotions into the issue, and you can never effectively fight emotion with logic. Logic can't be made "more logical", but emotional appeals can sure be made "more emotional", so emotion often wins out. Emotion is a quite visceral thing that we don't even fully understand. I'm certain that we feel emotion before we even exit the womb, long before any notion of logic could even exist for us. I don't have an answer, but it's clear that these people simply do not care about the life experience of the "other", and in this case the "other" is the queer population.

Eumenes 4y ago

restricting children's access to sexually suggestive books in tax payer funded schools seems appropriate. the media/press is trying to malign one side into being against free speech and pro-censorship, which is so ironic ... more culture war BS all around

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fknorangesite 4y ago
Where "sexually suggestive" usually means "mentioning the mere existence of sexual orientations other than 'heterosexual'".
mrguyorama 4y ago
If you think books talking about a kid having gay parents are sexually suggestive, the problem is with you, not the books.
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago
  Of course. Except the books being removed from school libraries are more like "Gender Queer", which includes a page showing two minors giving a blowjob and doesn't cover anything. Why do you think minors need hardcore porn in the libraries so badly?
  - Eumenes 4y ago
    this
  - huimang 4y ago
    Any reasonable person can agree with literal porn being banned. What percentage, exactly, is porn out of all the books being banned? The thing is that LGBT+ content tends to be conflated with sexual content. We both know that the vast majority of these books aren't banned because they're obscene. They're being banned because people don't want any mention of LGBT+ people or topics, with flimsy excuses.

th13row 4y ago

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