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While I'm glad they are actually making a product for their actual niche... Personally, looking at the 16...it's just a 'You were supposed to be the chosen one

While I'm glad they are actually making a product for their actual niche... Personally, looking at the 16...it's just a 'You were supposed to be the chosen one.' gif. Damn near everything is proprietary, even if they were to open source it, they have basically created their own new standards for everything from the GPU to the new RGB modules that seem like insane distractions. Also those trackpad spacers are a solution but yikes that looks like trash. All I see is SKU overload and inventory problems all while they are distracted with solving RGB for some wild reason.

alpsne 4y ago
> they have basically created their own new standards for everything from the GPU to the new RGB modules that seem like insane distractions Reminded me of https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
ncallaway 4y ago
How many things have they created standards for that already have open standards in common use in the laptop space? If we’re going from 2 open standards to 3 that seems unnecessary. If we’re going from 0 open standards to 1 that seems like a huge step forward.
- agloe_dreams 4y ago
  MXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for. My real weird view is that they have really went a different direction and their GPU upgrade has a whole rear deck you install and all that rather than building it into the product. That deck will only ever work with the Framework 16. Like, this isn't a standard at all, it's just open for Framework to gain from. It reminds me of Google's Project Ara but for the wrong reasons. https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop-16-modular-upgradable-graphics https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop...
  - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
    > MXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for NVidia hasn't made MXM compatible GPUs for at least 5 years.
    - agloe_dreams 4y ago
      Yes but the standard still exists. There are PCIe 4.0 GPUs out there in MXM format. It is just PCIe.
      - CarVac 4y ago
        MXM is alright for upgrading, but it's not modular the way this aims to be. This includes cooling, so a small GPU could have smaller heatsinks and a beefy GPU could have huge heatsinks. And if you don't want the GPU and the associated power draw plus the size and weight of the heatsinks, you can swap it for another module if you don't want to game on the go. As they said in their presentation, it's not just for GPUs. You could have a supplemental battery. They will offer a storage expansion that gives you more M.2 slots. Hypothetically you could even just make a module that lets you fit a desktop GPU on the back, if you provided external power.

alpsne 4y ago

> they have basically created their own new standards for everything from the GPU to the new RGB modules that seem like insane distractions Reminded me of https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/

ncallaway 4y ago

How many things have they created standards for that already have open standards in common use in the laptop space? If we’re going from 2 open standards to 3 that seems unnecessary. If we’re going from 0 open standards to 1 that seems like a huge step forward.

agloe_dreams 4y ago
MXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for. My real weird view is that they have really went a different direction and their GPU upgrade has a whole rear deck you install and all that rather than building it into the product. That deck will only ever work with the Framework 16. Like, this isn't a standard at all, it's just open for Framework to gain from. It reminds me of Google's Project Ara but for the wrong reasons. https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop-16-modular-upgradable-graphics https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop...
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  > MXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for NVidia hasn't made MXM compatible GPUs for at least 5 years.
  - agloe_dreams 4y ago
    Yes but the standard still exists. There are PCIe 4.0 GPUs out there in MXM format. It is just PCIe.
    - CarVac 4y ago
      MXM is alright for upgrading, but it's not modular the way this aims to be. This includes cooling, so a small GPU could have smaller heatsinks and a beefy GPU could have huge heatsinks. And if you don't want the GPU and the associated power draw plus the size and weight of the heatsinks, you can swap it for another module if you don't want to game on the go. As they said in their presentation, it's not just for GPUs. You could have a supplemental battery. They will offer a storage expansion that gives you more M.2 slots. Hypothetically you could even just make a module that lets you fit a desktop GPU on the back, if you provided external power.