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What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in

What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in the coffin of Big centralized fiat currency. /s

medo-bear 4y ago
Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator
- gnarbarian 4y ago
  funny how that works.
- activitypea 4y ago
  Isn't Montenegro also the youngest country in Europe? Depending on if you count Kosovo, I suppose.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    I mean, Montenegro is at best tied with Serbia, whether or not you count Kosovo.
  - nsajko 4y ago
    The answer is that Đukanović was in charge even back when Montenegro was a constituent Republic of Yugoslavia, see the timeline here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87#Timel...
- SECProto 4y ago
  > despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications) Montenegro is regarded by a number of rankings [2] as being a hybrid regime, i.e. somewhere in between authoritarian and democratic. The results of the 2020 election [3] match that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_regime#Measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_regime#Measurement [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Montenegrin_parliamentary_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Montenegrin_parliamentary...
  - kelnos 4y ago
    The point that the parent was making was that "dictator" has a very negative connotation, and the cynical take is that if the West likes you, they wouldn't call you something negative, even when that's what you are. So he's wink "not a dictator" wink.
    - ganbatekudasai 4y ago
      Right, but the point of the comment you answered to, is that this cynical take does not work if Montenegro does not actually happen to be a dictatorship, friendly to the west or not. Note that I have absolutely no idea whether Montenegro is or isn't a dictatorship, but the intention of all commenters here was clear.
  - lo_zamoyski 4y ago
    ChatGPT? Is that you?
    - ChainOfFools 4y ago
      Just because text has a rather Brainy Smurf tone to it does not necessarily mean it was generated by ChadGPT
    - SECProto 4y ago
      Haha glad my calling out of nonsense is apparently indistinguishable from a large language model. Does chatgpt do citations like that?
      - d3nj4l 4y ago
        Bing's chat is like that.
- nsajko 4y ago
  His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.
    - nsajko 4y ago
      See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state > A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more [...]
      - arcticbull 4y ago
        Yep they're not the same, but usually the head of government is the head of state in presidential systems. [edit] In fact... "President is a common title for the head of state in most republics. The president of a nation is, generally speaking, the head of the government and the fundamental leader of the country or the ceremonial head of state." [1] Anyways interesting stuff. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title)
        tasuki 4y ago
        Yes, in presidential systems, sure. But who was talking about those here? Montenegro is a parliamentary republic, and vast majority of Europe is either a parliamentary republic or a constitutional monarchy [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/File:Forms_of_government_2021.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/Fil...
- jacquesm 4y ago
  But not unbroken. Meanwhile, NL has had the same MP for the last 13 years, and this in spite of the government falling in that period.
- tlogan 4y ago
  But real power is under Zdravko Krivokapić (prime minister). And Zdravo (pro Serbian) does like Mile (pro Montenegro).
- kjs3 4y ago
  Which has nothing to do with what they OP was talking about, but nice derail.
noloblo 4y ago
finally ! also interesting tidbit from the montenegro article do kwon after saying was not on the lam from leo was traveling with falsified documents. montenegro waiting for interpol/s.korea to confirm do's identity
Cardinal7167 4y ago
They’re only clamping down now cause Big Bank is in real trouble! /s
MountainHoliday 4y ago
Crypto people are anti fiat. That's bitcoiners. Crypto people believe every VC should have their own private money

medo-bear 4y ago

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

gnarbarian 4y ago
funny how that works.
activitypea 4y ago
Isn't Montenegro also the youngest country in Europe? Depending on if you count Kosovo, I suppose.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  I mean, Montenegro is at best tied with Serbia, whether or not you count Kosovo.
- nsajko 4y ago
  The answer is that Đukanović was in charge even back when Montenegro was a constituent Republic of Yugoslavia, see the timeline here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87#Timel...
SECProto 4y ago
> despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications) Montenegro is regarded by a number of rankings [2] as being a hybrid regime, i.e. somewhere in between authoritarian and democratic. The results of the 2020 election [3] match that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_regime#Measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_regime#Measurement [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Montenegrin_parliamentary_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Montenegrin_parliamentary...
- kelnos 4y ago
  The point that the parent was making was that "dictator" has a very negative connotation, and the cynical take is that if the West likes you, they wouldn't call you something negative, even when that's what you are. So he's wink "not a dictator" wink.
  - ganbatekudasai 4y ago
    Right, but the point of the comment you answered to, is that this cynical take does not work if Montenegro does not actually happen to be a dictatorship, friendly to the west or not. Note that I have absolutely no idea whether Montenegro is or isn't a dictatorship, but the intention of all commenters here was clear.
- lo_zamoyski 4y ago
  ChatGPT? Is that you?
  - ChainOfFools 4y ago
    Just because text has a rather Brainy Smurf tone to it does not necessarily mean it was generated by ChadGPT
  - SECProto 4y ago
    Haha glad my calling out of nonsense is apparently indistinguishable from a large language model. Does chatgpt do citations like that?
    - d3nj4l 4y ago
      Bing's chat is like that.
nsajko 4y ago
His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87
- arcticbull 4y ago
  I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.
  - nsajko 4y ago
    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state > A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more [...]
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      Yep they're not the same, but usually the head of government is the head of state in presidential systems. [edit] In fact... "President is a common title for the head of state in most republics. The president of a nation is, generally speaking, the head of the government and the fundamental leader of the country or the ceremonial head of state." [1] Anyways interesting stuff. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title)
      - tasuki 4y ago
        Yes, in presidential systems, sure. But who was talking about those here? Montenegro is a parliamentary republic, and vast majority of Europe is either a parliamentary republic or a constitutional monarchy [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/File:Forms_of_government_2021.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/Fil...
jacquesm 4y ago
But not unbroken. Meanwhile, NL has had the same MP for the last 13 years, and this in spite of the government falling in that period.
tlogan 4y ago
But real power is under Zdravko Krivokapić (prime minister). And Zdravo (pro Serbian) does like Mile (pro Montenegro).
kjs3 4y ago
Which has nothing to do with what they OP was talking about, but nice derail.

noloblo 4y ago

finally ! also interesting tidbit from the montenegro article do kwon after saying was not on the lam from leo was traveling with falsified documents. montenegro waiting for interpol/s.korea to confirm do's identity

Cardinal7167 4y ago

They’re only clamping down now cause Big Bank is in real trouble! /s

MountainHoliday 4y ago

Crypto people are anti fiat. That's bitcoiners. Crypto people believe every VC should have their own private money