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I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

by nrp 4y ago

zmk5 4y ago
Hey Nirav, thanks so much for the progress you and your team have done! Just had a question if there's been some benchmarking done for Linux on the new AMD and Intel mainboards.
- nrp 4y ago
  We don't have any benchmarks we can share yet, but we absolutely expect that there will be press reviews that do comparisons between Intel and AMD-based Framework Laptops.
  - zmk5 4y ago
    Nice! Will Linus be doing this?
cooperadymas 4y ago
Will the 16 have an AMD option at launch? This isn't clear to me yet. Already pre-ordered the AMD 13 but might hold off if it's available on the larger version.
tzarc 4y ago
As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?
- nrp 4y ago
  Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.
  - ploum 4y ago
    An ortholinear keyboard? Wow, that’s my dream. Do you have the link? (and when will you eventually ship to Belgium?)
    - nrp 4y ago
      We announced today that we’re opening preorders for our new products this summer in Belgium (and Italy, Spain, and Taiwan).
      - Moldoteck 4y ago
        are there any ETA for Romania?)
  - pbronez 4y ago
    an ortholinear laptop keyboard?????? yes please.
  - CarVac 4y ago
    Is there a chance you could have individual scissor switch key modules made for DIY ergonomic layouts on a custom PCB? The height limitations of the 16" laptop are too low for low-profile discrete mechanical switches.
    - nrp 4y ago
      That is a really interesting idea and something we'll explore.
      - CarVac 4y ago
        Thanks! I use a 46-key ergo layout (Mitosis) that would be perfect for a laptop and have always itched to have it integrated into the computer.
    - tgrosinger 4y ago
      Kailh makes a scissor switch module but I think it's still too thick. http://www.kailh.com/en/Products/Ks/NotebookS/ http://www.kailh.com/en/Products/Ks/NotebookS/
- JohnAZoidberg 4y ago
  We've actually already started contributing :) https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pulls?q=is%3Apr+sort%3Aupdated-desc+author%3AJohnAZoidberg https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pulls?q=is%3Apr+sort%3Au...
Entinel 4y ago
Do the 13 and 16 use different mainboards? Can I buy an AMD 13 and move it to a 16 chassis?
- deleted 4y ago
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- nrp 4y ago
  They do use different mainboards in order to enable all of the functionality that exists in the Framework Laptop 16 (6x Expansion Cards, the Expansion Bay, and the Input Module system).
TulliusCicero 4y ago
I didn't quite get what form the modular upgradeable graphics would take: * Is this an "egpu connected by a cable" situation, or something actually integrated into the laptop's body? * What are realistic possibilities for how much gpu, and how much of a premium would it be over other laptop or desktop gpu's? Is this something you would be making, or third parties?
- noveltyaccount 4y ago
  Seems like pcie connection to the mainboard > The Framework Laptop 16 has an Expansion Bay system that contains both the cooling fans and an interface for high-power, high-speed PCIe peripherals like GPUs. Expansion Bay modules can extend in both thickness and depth to accomodate higher power requirements. https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay
  - nrp 4y ago
    This is correct. We shared the draft pinout in this repository.
aojdwhsd 4y ago
What will the aspect ratio of the 16" laptop be?
- starkparker 4y ago
  Measuring the screens on the renders, it's 16:10.
  - nrp 4y ago
    That's correct, it is a 16:10 16" display.
    - pcdoodle 4y ago
      Nice!
unethical_ban 4y ago
Are the AMD processors "U" series or "HS" series? Assuming the latter since they seem to be the ones more available initially.
dtx1 4y ago
Hey! Looking into getting the AMD one for Linux! Has the Battery Life issues been fixed?
dmayle 4y ago
Hey! I pre-ordered an AMD version as soon as the site would handle it, but I wasn't able to choose between the mattte and glossy display. Is there any way to get the matte display with the new AMD option?
- nrp 4y ago
  The Matte display version is pre-installed on all 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Framework Laptops. If you do want a glossy display, it's available as a module in the Marketplace to swap in (or you can pick up an older 11th Gen, 12th Gen, or Chromebook Edition which also have the original display).
  - kingsleyopara 4y ago
    Is there any reason why this isn’t a choice at least for the DIY configurations? Otherwise seems a bit wasteful and against the ethos of the company.
    - nrp 4y ago
      It's ultimately inventory costs and supply chain complexity to manage a larger number of laptop SKUs (CPU options * DIY/pre-built * keyboard options * any other configurable variable). We're a small team, so when there are areas of the product we can condense into having one default configuration, we take those efficiencies, while still enabling an "escape valve" through the Marketplace.
      - kingsleyopara 4y ago
        Thanks, that makes sense. Definitely rooting for you and will be ordering a 16 when I can!
  - artogahr 4y ago
    I understand the supply concerns, but in the future please consider a glossy display as default option (even if just in the DIY edition). It seems wasteful to have to buy matte display only to replace with a glossy one. A lot of people in the monitors community hate matte displays and actively avoid buying devices with them.
gnufied 4y ago
What would be battery capacity of 16 inch model? Please let it be - 99.9Whr. :-) Congrats on the Launch. This might be Framework Laptop I finally could use as my daily driver for regular dev. work etc.
cge 4y ago
Looking at your mechanical design for the large input module, though I can't compare the height at the moment, it appears to be almost the same size as the keyboard on the Framework 13. While it would obviously require a new input cover design, would it be possible to design an assembly that would allow a single large input module to be used as the keyboard on a Framework 13? Or would there be height problems?
- nrp 4y ago
  The key structure actually is the same as the Framework Laptop 13, including the same key travel. The overall module is different though to handle the interface differences, in a way that makes it not possible to retrofit into a Framework Laptop 13 unfortunately (we thought about this, but couldn't make it work well).
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hommelix 4y ago
Will the QMK based keyboard available on Framework Laptop 13?
- JohnAZoidberg 4y ago
  No, the architecture of the Framework Laptop 13 is very different. There the keyboard input is handled by the embedded controller: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob/hx20-hx30/board/hx30/keyboard_customization.c https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob... On the 16 the keyboard is a USB keyboard that could even be used standalone, without the laptop.
ilogik 4y ago
Is this what you showed Linus last week? :)
jckahn 4y ago
Any chance you’ll offer a hiDPI (>3.5K) screen on the 13 inch models? That’s the last thing I need in order to buy one of these!
Rebelgecko 4y ago
Is there any progress being made with some of the nagging issues that impact the 12th gen intel laptops when using Linux? Specifically poor battery life (especially during standby when using the USB-A module) and not being able to use the brightness keys unless you disable the sensor?
- nrp 4y ago
  Our latest beta BIOS updates improve the power consumption while using USB-A Expansion Cards on 11th and 12th Gen. We have some additional improvements we’re working on around this on HDMI and DP cards as well. For the brightness key/ALS conflict, this is pending additional driver work.
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    Are you talking about the one from December that's in beta[1]? Do you know when it'll be ready for primetime? Sounds like it turns off thunderbolt on the left side of the laptop so I've been reluctant to try it [1]: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06-beta/25726 https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06...
defaultwizard 4y ago
Is there anything in the works for exchanging or a trade-in scheme for models of the 13 to go towards a 16? The 16 looks ideal, but I do not have the cash to buy another laptop.
haspok 4y ago
Is S3 sleep supported?
asymmetric 4y ago
Any chances you'll introduce business-laptop-friendly warranty policies (like on-site repairs, 5-year long terms), like Lenovo does for ThinkPads? Or that you'll partner with someone who does?
caskstrength 4y ago
Any chance you will introduce a "good keyboard" option? Like old-school ThinkPad keyboards. (key travel depth, figured keycaps, maybe additional row of keys)
ttanev 4y ago
Hi, first thanks a lot for disrupting a really important market! Do you plan providing more options for the display assembly in the future (I'm particularly interested into an option with a touchscreen)?
DreadY2K 4y ago
Will it be possible to upgrade my current framework laptop to the new 16" form factor? It feels like it should be a possible upgrade, but I haven't seen anything saying that it will be possible, so I'd like to confirm.

I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

by nrp 4y ago

I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

zmk5 4y ago

Hey Nirav, thanks so much for the progress you and your team have done! Just had a question if there's been some benchmarking done for Linux on the new AMD and Intel mainboards.

nrp 4y ago
We don't have any benchmarks we can share yet, but we absolutely expect that there will be press reviews that do comparisons between Intel and AMD-based Framework Laptops.
- zmk5 4y ago
  Nice! Will Linus be doing this?

cooperadymas 4y ago

Will the 16 have an AMD option at launch? This isn't clear to me yet. Already pre-ordered the AMD 13 but might hold off if it's available on the larger version.

tzarc 4y ago

As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?

nrp 4y ago
Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.
- ploum 4y ago
  An ortholinear keyboard? Wow, that’s my dream. Do you have the link? (and when will you eventually ship to Belgium?)
  - nrp 4y ago
    We announced today that we’re opening preorders for our new products this summer in Belgium (and Italy, Spain, and Taiwan).
    - Moldoteck 4y ago
      are there any ETA for Romania?)
- pbronez 4y ago
  an ortholinear laptop keyboard?????? yes please.
- CarVac 4y ago
  Is there a chance you could have individual scissor switch key modules made for DIY ergonomic layouts on a custom PCB? The height limitations of the 16" laptop are too low for low-profile discrete mechanical switches.
  - nrp 4y ago
    That is a really interesting idea and something we'll explore.
    - CarVac 4y ago
      Thanks! I use a 46-key ergo layout (Mitosis) that would be perfect for a laptop and have always itched to have it integrated into the computer.
  - tgrosinger 4y ago
    Kailh makes a scissor switch module but I think it's still too thick. http://www.kailh.com/en/Products/Ks/NotebookS/ http://www.kailh.com/en/Products/Ks/NotebookS/
JohnAZoidberg 4y ago
We've actually already started contributing :) https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pulls?q=is%3Apr+sort%3Aupdated-desc+author%3AJohnAZoidberg https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pulls?q=is%3Apr+sort%3Au...

Entinel 4y ago

Do the 13 and 16 use different mainboards? Can I buy an AMD 13 and move it to a 16 chassis?

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nrp 4y ago
They do use different mainboards in order to enable all of the functionality that exists in the Framework Laptop 16 (6x Expansion Cards, the Expansion Bay, and the Input Module system).

TulliusCicero 4y ago

I didn't quite get what form the modular upgradeable graphics would take: * Is this an "egpu connected by a cable" situation, or something actually integrated into the laptop's body? * What are realistic possibilities for how much gpu, and how much of a premium would it be over other laptop or desktop gpu's? Is this something you would be making, or third parties?

noveltyaccount 4y ago
Seems like pcie connection to the mainboard > The Framework Laptop 16 has an Expansion Bay system that contains both the cooling fans and an interface for high-power, high-speed PCIe peripherals like GPUs. Expansion Bay modules can extend in both thickness and depth to accomodate higher power requirements. https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay
- nrp 4y ago
  This is correct. We shared the draft pinout in this repository.

aojdwhsd 4y ago

What will the aspect ratio of the 16" laptop be?

starkparker 4y ago
Measuring the screens on the renders, it's 16:10.
- nrp 4y ago
  That's correct, it is a 16:10 16" display.
  - pcdoodle 4y ago
    Nice!

unethical_ban 4y ago

Are the AMD processors "U" series or "HS" series? Assuming the latter since they seem to be the ones more available initially.

dtx1 4y ago

Hey! Looking into getting the AMD one for Linux! Has the Battery Life issues been fixed?

dmayle 4y ago

Hey! I pre-ordered an AMD version as soon as the site would handle it, but I wasn't able to choose between the mattte and glossy display. Is there any way to get the matte display with the new AMD option?

nrp 4y ago
The Matte display version is pre-installed on all 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Framework Laptops. If you do want a glossy display, it's available as a module in the Marketplace to swap in (or you can pick up an older 11th Gen, 12th Gen, or Chromebook Edition which also have the original display).
- kingsleyopara 4y ago
  Is there any reason why this isn’t a choice at least for the DIY configurations? Otherwise seems a bit wasteful and against the ethos of the company.
  - nrp 4y ago
    It's ultimately inventory costs and supply chain complexity to manage a larger number of laptop SKUs (CPU options * DIY/pre-built * keyboard options * any other configurable variable). We're a small team, so when there are areas of the product we can condense into having one default configuration, we take those efficiencies, while still enabling an "escape valve" through the Marketplace.
    - kingsleyopara 4y ago
      Thanks, that makes sense. Definitely rooting for you and will be ordering a 16 when I can!
- artogahr 4y ago
  I understand the supply concerns, but in the future please consider a glossy display as default option (even if just in the DIY edition). It seems wasteful to have to buy matte display only to replace with a glossy one. A lot of people in the monitors community hate matte displays and actively avoid buying devices with them.

gnufied 4y ago

What would be battery capacity of 16 inch model? Please let it be - 99.9Whr. :-) Congrats on the Launch. This might be Framework Laptop I finally could use as my daily driver for regular dev. work etc.

cge 4y ago

Looking at your mechanical design for the large input module, though I can't compare the height at the moment, it appears to be almost the same size as the keyboard on the Framework 13. While it would obviously require a new input cover design, would it be possible to design an assembly that would allow a single large input module to be used as the keyboard on a Framework 13? Or would there be height problems?

nrp 4y ago
The key structure actually is the same as the Framework Laptop 13, including the same key travel. The overall module is different though to handle the interface differences, in a way that makes it not possible to retrofit into a Framework Laptop 13 unfortunately (we thought about this, but couldn't make it work well).

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hommelix 4y ago

Will the QMK based keyboard available on Framework Laptop 13?

JohnAZoidberg 4y ago
No, the architecture of the Framework Laptop 13 is very different. There the keyboard input is handled by the embedded controller: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob/hx20-hx30/board/hx30/keyboard_customization.c https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob... On the 16 the keyboard is a USB keyboard that could even be used standalone, without the laptop.

ilogik 4y ago

Is this what you showed Linus last week? :)

jckahn 4y ago

Any chance you’ll offer a hiDPI (>3.5K) screen on the 13 inch models? That’s the last thing I need in order to buy one of these!

Rebelgecko 4y ago

Is there any progress being made with some of the nagging issues that impact the 12th gen intel laptops when using Linux? Specifically poor battery life (especially during standby when using the USB-A module) and not being able to use the brightness keys unless you disable the sensor?

nrp 4y ago
Our latest beta BIOS updates improve the power consumption while using USB-A Expansion Cards on 11th and 12th Gen. We have some additional improvements we’re working on around this on HDMI and DP cards as well. For the brightness key/ALS conflict, this is pending additional driver work.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Are you talking about the one from December that's in beta[1]? Do you know when it'll be ready for primetime? Sounds like it turns off thunderbolt on the left side of the laptop so I've been reluctant to try it [1]: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06-beta/25726 https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06...

defaultwizard 4y ago

Is there anything in the works for exchanging or a trade-in scheme for models of the 13 to go towards a 16? The 16 looks ideal, but I do not have the cash to buy another laptop.

haspok 4y ago

Is S3 sleep supported?

asymmetric 4y ago

Any chances you'll introduce business-laptop-friendly warranty policies (like on-site repairs, 5-year long terms), like Lenovo does for ThinkPads? Or that you'll partner with someone who does?

caskstrength 4y ago

Any chance you will introduce a "good keyboard" option? Like old-school ThinkPad keyboards. (key travel depth, figured keycaps, maybe additional row of keys)

ttanev 4y ago

Hi, first thanks a lot for disrupting a really important market! Do you plan providing more options for the display assembly in the future (I'm particularly interested into an option with a touchscreen)?

DreadY2K 4y ago

Will it be possible to upgrade my current framework laptop to the new 16" form factor? It feels like it should be a possible upgrade, but I haven't seen anything saying that it will be possible, so I'd like to confirm.