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Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New
by KeepingItToasty 4y ago
Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website.
- New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series.
- New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39.
- New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs that connect to the 16 inch laptop.
- brightball 4y agoThe 16 seems like the version that will open the door for me.
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- tristor 4y agoIs one of the models of CPU available the 7840HS? This sounds fantastic, I very well may buy a Framework laptop later this week/weekend. EDIT: Their site came back up, after reading the blog post I pre-ordered the Ryzen 7 13" to be my new Linux laptop.
- KeepingItToasty 4y agoWe don't actually know what specific version of AMD CPU is available. Just that one option is Ryzen 5 and the other is Ryzen 7: "For the AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors, we’ll be sharing more detailed specifications as we get closer to shipment." Source: https://frame.work/gb/en/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-intel-core-and-amd-ryzen-7040-series https://frame.work/gb/en/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-...
- schmorptron 4y agoThe big question is whether the cooling system in the 13" would be able to handle the HS. Is there any data on Zen 4 laptop chips that has tested the efficiency vs performance considerations on the U vs the HS series?
- brucethemoose2 4y agoNo, but you can look it up here when there are. There is no better notebook reviewer: https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-7840HS-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.680876.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-7840HS-Processor-B... On previous generations: the 4000 series starts to hit a relative performance wall at around 35W. The 5000 series clocked higher and hence gained more moving from 15 to 35 and 35 to 45. Not sure about the 6000 series, but you can see for yourself: https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-6800U-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.589897.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-6800U-Processor-Be... Another point: you can throttle the 35W HS series to 15W, and get the laptop to run fanless or almost fanless since it is designed to cool a higher TDP.
- neogodless 4y agoI think so? Of the 7040 APUs, that seems to be the only Ryzen 7 model announced so far. Shipping estimate is Q3.
- CameronNemo 4y agoI think Zen4 U-series APUs are expected later this year.
- deaddodo 4y agoThey don’t list the specific AMD Ryzen chips. This is the primary reason I refuse to preorder, I need to know exactly what I’m ordering before I do.
- mickotron 4y agoI just pre-ordered as well, been eyeing off a Framework for at least a year.
- whitehexagon 4y agoMatte display yay! I missed that a lot on the MBP. Seems like they still want to bundle a windows license, I never understand this, do MS pay OEMs to do this?
- nwah1 4y agoMore likely, the answer is that a lot of Windows users want a hassle-free experience. DIY edition of this would have no Windows tax, if you are a linux user.
- schmorptron 4y agoNot if you get the DIY afaik!
- genocidicbunny 4y agoIf you pick the DIY option, you can omit the Windows license. You'll have to install Linux yourself, but that doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task for someone already going with the DIY option. I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro, and offering support for multiple distros is probably a bit outside their wheelhouse at the moment. [e: this is perhaps not the case]
- starkparker 4y ago> I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro https://frame.work/linux https://frame.work/linux > Officially supported > Fedora 37 > Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
- genocidicbunny 4y agoPerhaps it's not updated yet, but I don't see AMD in that list.
- starkparker 4y agoSorry, I missed where it was specifically about the AMD model. The 13th-gen Intel got added to the list between me posting and you posting, so who knows.
- znpy 4y agoDoes it mean I can finally get a high end laptop without a discrete gpu?
- brucethemoose2 4y agoNot really. The 7040 series is good, but its not dGPU class like an M1/M2 Max. I think AMD has been scared to make one because OEMs won't want it.
- vladvasiliu 4y agoNot OP, but in my case, I'd love an HS part without a dGPU. I'm typing this on a 5650U and its integrated GPU is overkill for what I do. Hell, until a year ago, I used to daily drive an i5-6500 with an HD530 with a 4k display and I never felt limited by the GPU. But I do use the CPU from time to time, so a beefier part would be useful. I would rather not pay for a dGPU which I'd use maybe 1% of the time, and which would cost more and weigh more and possibly be a PITA to manage under Linux.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoI dunno, as time goes on I am wanting to do more and more on the GPU. Last gen it was media processing and upscaling, now its running Stable Diffusion and other Generative AI. But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago> But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster. Indeed. I've been looking at the 12th gen laptops we're getting at work, but those were underwhelming. I don't remember which model CPU it was, but it only had 2 P cores (those are basically for "office work", so no one cares about performance). For compilation (Rust) it was in the same ballpark as my 11th gen i7 (so 4 "regular" cores + HT). For basic day-to-day work, they both felt the same. As you say, I'd expect a part with more P cores to be interesting for my use case, which is exactly the same as your sibling's [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoIt would be nice if we could get non-multiplexed edit keys in the unused space. That is the biggest failing of modern laptops. Massive horizontal real estate and they're packing keys in like it's 1995.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoPrevious framework was 3:2, not 16:9 so there isn't a ridiculous amount of width. But yes, a vertical column of dedicated keys is a decent compromise that doesn't shift the keyboard over much. I had that on an older luggable.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoYou don't have to shift the keyboard over at all. That can stay centered and there's room for a 2x3 block of edit keys plus an inverted-T with full height up and down arrows. All it takes is willingness to be a leader instead of a follower copying one company's misguided minimalism-at-all-costs.
- cge 4y agoBecause of the screen ratio, there's simply no space to do that on a Framework 13, without reducing key spacing: there is almost exactly 1 cm of space between the last keys and the actual edge of the frame. On the Framework 16, I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes that: it looks like the design would accommodate a left/right-hand side narrow input module with the keyboard still centred.
- commandersaki 4y agoI'd prefer inverted-T with half height keys and use fn as a modifier for pgup/pgdn/home/end. Don't really need insert or delete though, but there's already a key for that.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoInteresting. Having two columns sounds like it could work pretty well, thanks for throwing out another alternative.
- vanilla_nut 4y agoThe customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good iteration on the Framework idea.
- BeefySwain 4y agohttps://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware If this is anything to go off of, then it seems like they are going to support embedding full QMK enabled input devices. Extremely exciting!
- nmstoker 4y agoIndeed! They just keep doing good things (and doing them well from what I read)
- JonathonW 4y agoThey're using QMK on their prototype keyboard and numpad input modules (which are RP2040-based internally). The interface for input modules to the rest of the computer is "just" USB 2.0, so you could put just about anything there that'll fit in one of the input module form factors. Although high resolution, high frame rate touchscreens are probably out because of bandwidth constraints (since it is only USB 2.0).
- nrp 4y agoIt's plausible to use something like a DisplayLink controller, or for lower resolution even a microcontroller with flexible high speed peripherals like an RP2040 with the PIO interface.
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- outworlder 4y ago> If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs that connect to the 16 inch laptop. They are checking all my boxes now. Outstanding.
- greggsy 4y agoA standardised laptop GPU connector could be a game changer and would be a killer feature. There have been a few false starts in that space with MXM, but they never really took off. It’s often the first thing people upgrade on a desktop (it’s much more impactful than a RAM and CPU upgrade over the same timeframe), but is rarely an option for laptop users.
- 650REDHAIR 4y agoIs tb4 not up to the task? I see thunderbolt GPU enclosures by a few major manufacturers.
- greggsy 4y agoNot exactly portable