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Your choice of metrics is so nonsensical it can only be bad faith. For the other readers, I'll submit some more relevant questions. NYC subway is more expensiv

Your choice of metrics is so nonsensical it can only be bad faith. For the other readers, I'll submit some more relevant questions. NYC subway is more expensive per meter? No shit. What's the ROI? How many passengers per day? What do you think are the economic payoffs for those investments? What survey showed 80% of respondents preferring suburbs? A suburb versus what? What kind of respondents do you think they got? How do you reconcile this with the market reality of brutal real estate shortages in America's denser cities? (Just pull up some pricing per sqft. How do urban vs rural compare?) This is all even without taking into account the market distortions (and ponzi schemes) arising from the US's infrastructure sprawl since the 50s. What happens if/when the cities stop subsidizing the completely financially insolvent surrounding areas?

cyberax 4y ago
> NYC subway is more expensive per meter? No shit. What's the ROI? How many passengers per day? What do you think are the economic payoffs for those investments? I don't think infrastructure in NYC is cost-effective. For that matter, infrastructure in Seattle (where I live now) is not cost effective. Its ROI is in fact negative, as it forces further unsustainable agglomeration of wealth in a small area, while starving smaller cities. > What survey showed 80% of respondents preferring suburbs? It's a metric that is pretty constant with only small variations: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/12/16/americans-are-less-likely-than-before-covid-19-to-want-to-live-in-cities-more-likely-to-prefer-suburbs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/12/16/america... > A suburb versus what? Dense urban areas. > What happens if/when the cities stop subsidizing the completely financially insolvent surrounding areas? Sigh. Cities do not subsidize suburbs. Most of the US wealth is generated by people living in suburbs.
- JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
  For anyone reading my response to this incredibly bad faith commenter, note: - that his own linked survey shows 46% preferring suburbs, not 80% - that "it forces further unsustainable agglomeration of wealth in a small area" would suggest a very high ROI, actually (and "forces" is an interesting word choice vs "attracts") - this Lafayette case study shows exactly how denser areas pay for themselves in tax revenue, and how the surrounding ones don't [0] [0] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason-your-city-has-no-money https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason...

cyberax 4y ago

> NYC subway is more expensive per meter? No shit. What's the ROI? How many passengers per day? What do you think are the economic payoffs for those investments? I don't think infrastructure in NYC is cost-effective. For that matter, infrastructure in Seattle (where I live now) is not cost effective. Its ROI is in fact negative, as it forces further unsustainable agglomeration of wealth in a small area, while starving smaller cities. > What survey showed 80% of respondents preferring suburbs? It's a metric that is pretty constant with only small variations: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/12/16/americans-are-less-likely-than-before-covid-19-to-want-to-live-in-cities-more-likely-to-prefer-suburbs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/12/16/america... > A suburb versus what? Dense urban areas. > What happens if/when the cities stop subsidizing the completely financially insolvent surrounding areas? Sigh. Cities do not subsidize suburbs. Most of the US wealth is generated by people living in suburbs.

JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
For anyone reading my response to this incredibly bad faith commenter, note: - that his own linked survey shows 46% preferring suburbs, not 80% - that "it forces further unsustainable agglomeration of wealth in a small area" would suggest a very high ROI, actually (and "forces" is an interesting word choice vs "attracts") - this Lafayette case study shows exactly how denser areas pay for themselves in tax revenue, and how the surrounding ones don't [0] [0] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason-your-city-has-no-money https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason...